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griffdrc

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griffdrc

i know that they are difficult on the floor but does anyone do mannas on the rings? i'ld love to see this...

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Gregor

NO. It would be like doing victorian on rings. Your triceps would explode :lol:

But I was thinking to try manna-cross hahaha.

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cathal

even V-sits are rarely done on rings, i think they are rated the same in the COP as an L-sit though so why waste energy on it when you could do a simple L-sit and get the same score?

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Blairbob

A V sit is a B, while a L sit is an A. I thought a manna and some other stuff might have been in older codes but I could be mixing it up with floor. I honestly haven't checked in a long time.

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cathal

blairbob i have the 2006 code of points on my computer and the v-sit is ranked A along with the L-sit(full and staddled), back lever and front lever. are you sure its a B skill?

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Gregor

V seat is a B!

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cathal

well there must be a mistake then on the COP i downloaded off the FIG website

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Blairbob

in the December 2006 (07 year) V sit is listed as an A, 2 boxes below L sit

pg 83 #19

in the version 2 and version 3 of the 2009-2012 code off of FIg

pg 78#2 between L sit and inverted cross

perhaps they are trying to get people to train it and go for manna, dunno.

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Gregor

Beacuse, now I'm looking the new code (draft 2) and it says it's B on the floor and on the ring is B!!!

The third draft will be out in a December.

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David Picó García

L-sit has the same rating as front lever? :shock:

Well i think this codes have to be revised. :wink:

Thanks, that's a great resource of information, and its also in spanish!!

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Gregor

they could change that for juniors. But for seniors it doesn't matter.

That change went out with new code in year 2004.

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Dillon Castro

i agree with serotonin. i can do an L seat with straight legs for about 5-10 seconds but not a full front lever at all. Also, wouldn't v sits be considered much more difficult than a L seat no matter what apparatus they are performed on?

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Blairbob

A v-sit would be harder, but if it's A move, it's considered so low it is barely worth rating.

In the JO code, an iron cross used to be a C and a front lever a B.

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rambo5501
A v-sit would be harder, but if it's A move, it's considered so low it is barely worth rating.

In the JO code, an iron cross used to be a C and a front lever a B.

I recently checked and I saw the Iron Cross as a B move? Thats nuts!

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Gregor
A v-sit would be harder, but if it's A move, it's considered so low it is barely worth rating.

In the JO code, an iron cross used to be a C and a front lever a B.

I recently checked and I saw the Iron Cross as a B move? Thats nuts!

For seniors it's ok, C would be to much.

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Blairbob

In the US, we've switched over to pure FIG code for our optionals so there won't be any different judging system of JO and FIG anymore. I don't know what the girls are doing and I should find out.

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rambo5501
A v-sit would be harder, but if it's A move, it's considered so low it is barely worth rating.

In the JO code, an iron cross used to be a C and a front lever a B.

I recently checked and I saw the Iron Cross as a B move? Thats nuts!

For seniors it's ok, C would be to much.

Talking about mannas. Is it possible to do a iron cross manna? lol

An easier one would be iron cross V-sit.

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Blairbob

That would be some insane piked victorian thing.

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Gregor

V-seat iron cross is not any harder then an L-seat or normal cross.

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rambo5501

one question. I saw more than 1 L-sits in ring routines in this past olympics. If L-sits are considered the same as Front-levers in value. Why choose L-sit over a front lever. Or can some one clarify for me?

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Gregor

The end score is combined from A score (difficulty) and B score (deduction).

1.) B score is scored from 10 points down, so if you have 0,8 deduction, your B score is 9,2.

2.) A score is combined from 10 MOST VALUBLY elements from 5 diffrent structure group, so you can have it 15, but it wll count only 10 most valuebly.

And from each group you must have at least one and maxximum 4 elements.

Rings structures:

1. Kip and swings elements

2. Strenght elements

3. Swing to handstand elements

4. Swing to strenght elements

5. dismounts

So why they do L-seats? Beacuse you can make transitions or with other words from l-seatyou can make a press to handstand and from handstand you can swing to dismount.

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