Pre-req's for flares?
Posted 01 December 2010 - 07:45 PM
Both basic strength and if there are any easier skills to work on before attempting flares.
I'm sure most bboys can do flares without training basic strength, but I and the other bboys here are smater than most bboys. We know basic stength improves performance and helps prevent injury.
Posted 02 December 2010 - 12:58 AM
He didn't really give much of an answer other than it takes a good few years for him to build an athlete to the point he can do a circle. For the time being that was enough of an answer for me, need to build the foundation first.
Of course there are lots of BBoys etc doing flairs, but i think their training method might not be as structured and progressive as a gymnasts, and ultimately, that foundation will enable them to do more skills more cleanly once they are at that point.
Posted 02 December 2010 - 02:35 AM
Circles with spindle
Strength that will help:
Shitloads of ag walks in both directions facing up and down.
Strong hips from manna work
I can imagine being strong in planches would help to, but I wouldn't consider it a pre-req.
Posted 02 December 2010 - 07:34 AM
I'll try to find some info on circles.
Posted 05 December 2010 - 12:37 AM
Just about anybody can get breaker flares pretty fast if they work on them but I often see them hitting a roadblock to moving past 3 flares in a row.
Posted 06 December 2010 - 07:23 AM
only a little number of bboys have a great flare like punisher (who trains with some gymn body exercise), guinho, careca, zangao, jao black and some koreans...the brazilian bboys also have a perfect tecnique as gymnasts
i tried flairs yesterday...the most part of bboys don't lean sufficiently on the side (over th wrist) when they have to go on the back so they bend their legs
Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:11 AM
Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:40 AM
This channel is put up some circle drills now!
Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:03 PM
I'm trying to learn windmills, flares, and air-flares. But not sure how to effectively start drills for them. I've gotten the book from Coach Sommer and I'm doing everything I think that can help.
If you find anything let me know trianglechoke7.
Posted 30 January 2011 - 02:59 PM
i noticed that the bboys wich train with me ( wich can do airflare passing the kick leg near to the floor) have a natural press handstand straddle with straigth arms...
so only for my curiosity i've chose to develop first the press handstand (at least the straddle is enough) then train the airflare...don't do the mistake of move the leg wich kick far away (more high) from the floor, this may result as a problem in the twisting!!!
only the ability to hold the hald pike press (hips up and legs piked down) can be very helpful...
Posted 14 February 2011 - 01:57 AM
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 09:59 PM
That being said, if you want to learn how to circle on your bad side, it is much easier once you have learned it well on your dominant side. Somewhat done by breakers.
Posted 15 February 2011 - 08:20 AM
so if your purpose is the flair for breakdance activity, train cloclwise and counterclockwise is a great thing for everymoves, i achieved headspin, windmill and some other combo in both the ways...is a great work for you nervous system but at the beginning is awfully a thing wich can cause irritation!!!
in order only to became more rich in your repertoire is a better thing train something on both arms (freeze, combo, balance ecc) and some skills (powermoves) clockwise and counterclockwise!!
Posted 22 February 2011 - 02:26 PM
Posted 28 February 2011 - 04:00 AM
the problem of the most tutorial on the web are that they are focused on some wrong points:
-swing the legs on your face on a V shape (wrong) --> exend you hips not pike them
-swing the legs under their body (wrong) --> swing on the side so the hips are extended
-on the side kick the leg near the face --> is not necessary, i don't do it
-don't counterbalance the body in every part of flair
-don't do the counterturning movements so their flares is inot perfectly open on the back
-lift the ass on the back (wrong) --> piking the hips is the biggest mistake
fot this last point consider that the biggest parts of bboys wnat to learn some combo like flair to 1990 or to airflare or to elbowariflare where if you are just able to lift your ass is better!
but for the flair is not better!
there are 2 way to go on the back:
-bboy way --> lift the ass up mainstainng the head down and the shoulders in the same position
-gymnast way --> lean forward with the shoulders, maintaining the back straigth or arched without pike your hips
you can use the way you want, learning the preass to handstand decrease the time to develop the basic transition flair to handstand! learn with gymnast way is better, also train with gymnast body programs increase your resistance and strength to learn this move in the correct way
Posted 05 April 2011 - 12:14 AM
For example how much is necessary for proper flairs:
My kid is 15 years old and have excelent cirlces (I would never say superb or perfect because this is not in my vocabulary, it's never perfect), even though he can do all travels back and forward, moguilny,...I didn't start to train him flairs until one month ago basicly at the end of pommel sesion for fun (of course I'm taking it serious, but all new elements are presented if can as a fun part of training). Some would say oh this are great flairs, but in my opinion it would take least a year for taking a next step (I'm starting on a mushroom and not on floor).
Pommel horse learning or any correct circle learning is going on the road very slowely step by step walking till end by running, but never forgeting how to slowely walk.
So take your time end take long jurney, at the end you'll not be disapointed.