grprahl Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I couldn't find anything on this using the search function, so I'm raising this question because I've found different people to have conflicting recomendations. Obviously Coach has his athletes start strength training quite young with great results. The Chinese are notorious for starting athletes off young. I have a couple books from Tudor O. Bompa, PhD, one of the big periodization guys. One of his books, titled Total Trainign for Young Champions lists time tables for development of young athletes for different sports. I was shocked when I first saw these tables because I was always under the impression that because maximum strength increases power, and because many studies show it doesn't stunt growth, young athletes can always benefit from increasing their max strength. However, for almost every sport, Bompa recommends maximum strength training start around the time that the Specific Training phase transitions into the High Performance Training period. For most athletes this occurs around 18 years of age. For male gymnasts, he puts the age at about 16 and goes through the end of career. He has Anatomical Adaptation from ages 8-12 and Power development from age 10 through the end of career (again for gymnasts).In his book, Periodization: Theory and Methodology of Training, he explains his ideas why this is and uses studies to back it up. Basically, in his observation athletes that train hard at young ages generally burn out or peak around 18 years old, but they destroy the Junior level competition. After that time, they don't generally continue to improve much, or even fade and are more succeptible to injury. By contrast, the groups that began with easier multilateral training didn't perform as well in Junior level competition, but had longer healthier careers, sometimes still being strong compeditors in their 30s (this was for all sports, not gymnastics in particular).So, I guess I can see where he's coming from, but I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Maybe this is a good question for Coach. For the athletes you begin training at very young ages, does intense maximal strength training such as planche training, ring work, etc seem to positively or negatively affect training and competition later in life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 For the athletes you begin training at very young ages, does intense maximal strength training such as planche training, ring work, etc seem to positively or negatively affect training and competition later in life?Excellent point and, in general, I agree. However your concept of what constitutes maximal strength training in gymnastics is flawed. You should understand that while planche training, swinging dips to HS and general ring work etc. may be advanced conditioning for a fitness enthusiast, these elements are only basic to intermediate level skills for a competitive gymnast. A fact that the participants at the May GB Seminar observed first hand.Of far more importance to the long-term success of a competitive athlete is striving to ensure that a proper balance is maintained between prehab/joint prep/flexibility, dynamic strength and basic strength. This is absolutely critical and unfortunately where most programming errors occur.Advanced ring strength work (e.g. iron cross, malteses etc.) generally should not start until the early to mid-teens and even then its implementation is greatly dependent upon the physical maturity and prior physical preparation of the individual athlete in question. For example, the young man in the will shortly turn 10 years old and is certainly physically strong enough to begin iron cross training; however for the reasons stated above he will not be allowed to do so for approximately the next 2-3 years. Instead he will maintain his basic strength while continuing his present focus on rehab/joint prep/flexibility and technical preparation during this interim.Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Stein Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 grprahl,Thanks for the great questions and topic.bestj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ido Portal Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Coach,I appreciate your 'wide landscape view' of physical development.It is a reminder to many fitness enthusiasts that there is more to balanced physical development than maximal strength. The superhuman displays of elite gymnasts are the direct result of the wide spectrum of demands the sports presents to its practitioners. Much appreciated,Ido. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Winkler Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Great stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grprahl Posted July 18, 2010 Author Share Posted July 18, 2010 Thanks for the reply. That really clears it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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