Victorian training

[Razz]

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[gymmie]

The last one looks really good man, can't even imagine me attempting this. That's one strong dude there man

[Razz]

yeah this guy is insane, its not me btw!! just to clarify

[Nick Van Bockxmeer]

haha I was actually the one that posted on his chanel.

[Jason Stein]

Did you guys see this one?

I make it 5 one-arm pull-ups right, 4 one arm pull-ups left, 3 negative one-arm pull-ups/each, and then 7 dead-hang.

Full extension of the arm at the bottom position, done in a one-arm pull-up (not chin), he stops on each set when his form gets questionable, and he doesn't drop from the bar in almost 3 minutes. Fricken legit.

Sometimes YouTube is inspiring. Sometimes it is crushing.

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[jutajata]

Great videos, very inspiring.

In his channel some users asked him about the planche and look what he said:

ableteam "I had a couple people ask me about planches, which should be an easier move, but I've never really trained any push strength so for me its an uphill battle. Just in the last 8 months I've been doing weighted dips but I can't do an iron cross, planche or even a good press handstand, as you can see I'm a bit of a specialist who's just now trying to work push and legs. I will definitely keep training these and am always looking for inspiration at the gym and on youtube. If anyone has some good links to creative planche training please send em my way. Thanks for all the support yall."

Even with a perfect full front lever and several one arm pull ups he doesnt reach a full planche, nice to create this link with planche - push/press strength and front lever - pull strength.

I have a friend who is exactly the opposite regarding strength, he does full planche and mastered several pushing elements like full planche pushups, hspu with maximal rom and etc but he cant hold a decent front lever even for a second.

In Building the Gymnastic Body Coach Sommer decribes the integrated training teaching exactly this relation between static positions and strength movements.

The amplitude of his book regarding strength workouts are outstanding.

[Jason Stein]

But I can't do ... even a good press handstand."

WHOAH

[Blairbob]

That would be the Cisco, from my friend's old gym. There is a score of videos of him doing stunts at Woodward, or hopping rope climbs with one arm, 1 finger FL. He comes from a background as a climber. My friend described him as a genetic pull monster.

[Joshua Naterman]

He's just been pulling forever, I can't say that 4 OAP, while great, is anything to claim genetic superiority with. It's pretty amazing, I have to say. I have seen a guy on my ship do 9 deadhang OAP per arm, switching from left to right after the 9. It was completely ridiculous. He doesn't even work out all that much, and he could do around 60 degree pushups full lay. 5'9, 162 lbs. Small frame, but heavily muscled. It was like looking at a shrunk down bodybuilder, but more reasonable legs. THAT was definitely genetic, I've never seen anything close to what Davis either looked like or could do. Made me sick that he wasn't trying to do anything with professional athletics. He of course has worked on it his whole life as well, but some things, like a freaking 3"thick pectoral muscle, are almost certainly a combination of genetics and training. I have never seen anything like that. Not even on the hit-man. Davis was something else. His back looked like it had butt cheeks in the middle. He never would talk much about how he got that way or share training info, which I personally think is a disgusting personal attribute. He apparently didn't what anyone being as good as him.

This guy is an example of what long-term, consistent training and focus on one area can achieve for the person who sticks with it. I like that even more than genetic ridiculousness

[Jason Stein]

I would say that if this kid could show up at Woodward and with little to no specific training start busting out one-armed rope climbs, one-finger levers, and one-arm pull-ups, that would qualify him as a genetic pull monster. Especially as apparently there's no correlation or carryover to his pushing power, which are normally very closely related.

Also, Slizzard, please post YouTube videos of your friend's one-arm work. The combination of your admitted ignorance of his training methods and previous physical history with no supportive evidence means I have to regard these claims of your friend's genetic gifts as utterly unsupportable. It's like posting "the fish that got away" stories or something. "One time at band camp, I remember this guy who could do a hundred planche push-ups..."

[Razz]

He has a background as climber which is hardcore finger strength and pulling training. Besides that there is NOT a close correlation to pulling and pushing strength, if all you do is pull.

[Jason Stein]

Razz,

Chicken and egg. Did he choose climbing because he was gifted at pulling? Based on his inability to press --- though I'd be curious as to his weighted dip numbers, cause I bet they're respectable --- as well as looking at his lever lengths (torso/arm length versus leg length, width of shoulders to hips, leg size, ape index), I would say yes.

"If all you do is pull ... " Then you should have some carryover strength to your pressing ability because there is a mild correlation between the two.

Unless, that is, you are gifted at pulling and don't have to train it. In which case you'd be able to pull like a freak, and be limited in your pressing.

I'm not diminishing this guy's work ethic or training, but I'm not disregarding any genetic advantages. Also, when this guy can do planches, he would be a great guy to ask for advice --- because he had to work like hell to get it.

best,

jason

[Coach Sommer]

"If all you do is pull ... " Then you should have some carryover strength to your pressing ability because there is a mild correlation between the two.

This is incorrect. There are more than a few monster bench pressers who are unable to even perform a single pullup. Outside of a basic ability to live and move, the body always reflects the emphasis of the training placed upon it.

Also, I do not doubt slizzardman's anecdote. Over the years, I have seen several people who were ridiculously blessed with enormous physical gifts. One was capable of performing 5 butterflys in a row (a butterfly is pulling from a dead hang with straight arms up to an iron cross and then continuing on into a regular cross pull). He also one day simply decided to perform a triple back off of high bar with no preparation or pit landing and made it easily onto regular mats, but that is another story. He eventually stopped training because gymnastics was "too easy" and he was bored.

Another individual, who was a teammate of a young Jason Gatson, never needed to condition or train to be incredibly muscular, cut and ripped. He would wander into practice once or twice a week for a little while, perform some amazing routines and then leave. He too eventually quite because he was bored. Later after not training for seven years, with NO other exercise at all during that time, he attended a team reunion where he jumped up on the rings and held a cross for 10 seconds. And yes, he was still muscular, cut and ripped.

There are truly some extraordinarily gifted individuals among us. However, as evidenced by the two examples above as well as by slizzardman's example, it is interesting to note that they usually fail to make the most of their tremendous potential due to a lack of work ethic and character. Basically everything athletic coming so easily for them in life failed to teach them the value of perseverance and hardwork. Unfortunately this attitude is usually reflected in other areas of their lives as well.

Yours in Fitness,

Coach Sommer

[Cole Dano]

There are truly some extraordinarily gifted individuals among us. However, as evidenced by the two examples above as well as by slizzardman's example, it is interesting to note that they usually fail to make the most of their tremendous potential due to a lack of work ethic and character. Basically everything athletic coming so easily for them in life failed to teach them the value of perseverance and hardwork. Unfortunately this attitude is usually reflected in other areas of their lives as well.

Yours in Fitness,

Coach Sommer

Excellent point! I've always thought that the work done on the mat or in the gym should be an extension of ones personal development.

Character building is something a lot of the old timers refer to again and again. I think for a long time that idea became old fashioned which IMHO was a tragedy. It does seem that Character is making a comeback, there's a carryover that really matters!

[David Picó García]

My friend described him as a genetic pull monster

Just look at his 28s front lever. This confirms your friend description. :shock:

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This also makes me think about the amazing Rodrigues strength.

[Nic Scheelings]

Even tho this particular guy is clearly gifted when it comes to pulling power, I remember reading something (I think it was in his youtube account) how initially he used to think those skills were impossible until he saw other people perform them on youtube ect... So he clearly worked hard for skills he saught after and isn't just a freak. It's one reason i find this guy really inspiring he's got some of the best oac's i've seen and it seems he started out like many of us have.

[Gregor]

My friend described him as a genetic pull monster

Just look at his 28s front lever. This confirms your friend description. :shock:

This also makes me think about the amazing Rodrigues strength.

28s of fornt lever doesn't make him a pull monster. I think this are to big words for 28s of front lever. I still think this is awsome achievment and big mark to reach. I still think this are to big words for front lever if you think some guys could hold iron cross for 45s or above (ok iron cross is a press but if you think how much harder is...).

[David Picó García]

Well, those aren't monster they are simply mutants

[Gregor]

Well, those aren't monster they are simply mutants

Hahahaha

[Razz]

Gregor you mutant!

[Gregor]

Gregor you mutant!

haha

I need much more strength to be in this group :oops:

[Joshua Naterman]

I would say that if this kid could show up at Woodward and with little to no specific training start busting out one-armed rope climbs, one-finger levers, and one-arm pull-ups, that would qualify him as a genetic pull monster. Especially as apparently there's no correlation or carryover to his pushing power, which are normally very closely related.

Also, Slizzard, please post YouTube videos of your friend's one-arm work. The combination of your admitted ignorance of his training methods and previous physical history with no supportive evidence means I have to regard these claims of your friend's genetic gifts as utterly unsupportable. It's like posting "the fish that got away" stories or something. "One time at band camp, I remember this guy who could do a hundred planche push-ups..."

Jason, I could care less who believes me. Davis inspired me to think beyond what I thought was possible. As another example, I know a navy seal, one of my instructors, last name Hoban, who stayed on the pull up bar an entire hour and change while we were being punished on the beach. Just hung from his hands, doing sets of pull ups, 10 at a time, and then hanging to rest. On a 2 inch thick bar. I couldn't believe it, but there it was in front of me. I heard stories about ANOTHER seal, who everyone called the "human butterfly," apparently because of his back musculature. THIS guy was apparently able to do 80+ consecutive dead hang pull ups without stopping. I honestly thought that was somewhat impossible until I saw Davis do 45 and not even be breathing hard, just to piss off some marines who were challenging us to a pull up competition. It was hilarious and humbling.

Davis was incredible. I think there are some pictures of him on myspace, I'll see if I can still find them and I will post them. I guarantee that no one here has seen a physique like this one on a 162 lb, 5'9 person. It's hard for me, even though I have SEEN it, to believe that it is possible, but it is. There is no video of him and there probably won't be, because a) I don't keep in contact with him, and b) we were on the same ship 5 years ago. I don't know if this makes sense, but after 5 years it's hard to find someone when you have no contact info and they are in the Navy moving place to place. I doubt he would make any videos even if I COULD find him. He only did this the one time, and he didn't know I was watching. I went into the gym at like 130 am and there he was. He doesn't do stuff in front of people. I didn't how how high he could jump until I saw him during cleaning stations, from the O6 level. He jumped onto the wheel well of a giant forklift with one step and landed on his feet in a crouch, no hands during or after. I went out there and it came up to nearly the top of my shoulders, so it was at least 5 feet tall. 60 inches. Holy crap. He's the one who taught me how to jump. That's why I can still jump half-way decently even though I don't practice. I built the ability with him, my friend Austin, and a broom stick.

I understand that you have trouble believing, and you are one of those who must have proof to even believe it is possible, and I have none so you can go ahead and disbelieve. I could care less. I understand and don't blame you.

[Wangtang6911]

Also, I do not doubt slizzardman's anecdote. Over the years, I have seen several people who were ridiculously blessed with enormous physical gifts. One was capable of performing 5 butterflys in a row (a butterfly is pulling from a dead hang with straight arms up to an iron cross and then continuing on into a regular cross pull). He also one day simply decided to perform a triple back off of high bar with no preparation or pit landing and made it easily onto regular mats, but that is another story. He eventually stopped training because gymnastics was "too easy" and he was bored.

Another individual, who was a teammate of a young Jason Gatson, never needed to condition or train to be incredibly muscular, cut and ripped. He would wander into practice once or twice a week for a little while, perform some amazing routines and then leave. He too eventually quite because he was bored. Later after not training for seven years, with NO other exercise at all during that time, he attended a team reunion where he jumped up on the rings and held a cross for 10 seconds. And yes, he was still muscular, cut and ripped.

There are truly some extraordinarily gifted individuals among us. However, as evidenced by the two examples above as well as by slizzardman's example, it is interesting to note that they usually fail to make the most of their tremendous potential due to a lack of work ethic and character. Basically everything athletic coming so easily for them in life failed to teach them the value of perseverance and hardwork. Unfortunately this attitude is usually reflected in other areas of their lives as well.

Yours in Fitness,

Coach Sommer

Hearing this kind of stuff always irritates me off haha. In gymnastics, I find there are 2 kinds of talents. There are those with amazing air sense and those who have amazing athletic ability. One outstanding example of someone who has both is Li Xiaopeng. That guy can work through a skill in his head and just go up and do it! His Tak full on highbar was learned on the 2nd try! He even learned his Peach Diomidov in a week!

I used to think that I was really strong. I could hold a cross the second week training them and could pull to maltese 2 weeks after that. That pull the maltese was the first maltese I held also! But, I find there are people out there that seem to have no limits to their strength! Currently, on Chinese National team, there is a 12 year old kid that can pull from cross to maltese and hold each for a second 18 times without coming down!

If only I were blessed.

[John Sapinoso]

Currently, on Chinese National team, there is a 12 year old kid that can pull from cross to maltese and hold each for a second 18 times without coming down!

:shock:

[Gregor]

Currently, on Chinese National team, there is a 12 year old kid that can pull from cross to maltese and hold each for a second 18 times without coming down!

:shock:

Now I will quit gymnastics

Hahahaha, this is not fair