Jason Stein Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Coach Summer, all ---I've been trying to think of a way to introduce a baseline or control to my practice of the Gymnastic Bodies' daily WODs.The idea being to establish a set of fundamental Gymnastic Bodies criteria of exercises, reps, and weights, around which I could occasionally test and measure myself.It would accurately diagnose strength and flexibility deficiencies, allowing them to be addressed specifically with skill and/or strength work in addition to the main WODs. Also, demonstrable, measurable gains provide fantastic positive reinforcement, and for those of us who don't measure our strength and flexibility gains through competition or performance, gymnastic or otherwise, this would be invaluable.I stumbled across Ido Portal's post regarding the bent- and straight-arm podkatchkas, and I think they would make a great metric. I'll post the two Podkatchkas below, reformatted.I had thought to perform both (to the best of my abilities) every 10-12 weeks, at the end of a reduced-volume week.Also, the ability to perform these exercises with increasingly shorter periods of rest seems to me to be another metric of increased muscular endurance.To make the podkatchkas approachable, I thought to pattern them on Crossfit Portland's Athletic Skills Levels, so the repetitions, leverage positions, and time intervals as Mr. Portal has listed them would be considered Level 5, or the highest level.One could establish progressively approachable variations for each exercise, and then group them together as Levels 1 through 5.For example, Level 5 would be 15 Strict Muscle-ups (Straight through, no release of rings). Level 4: 15 Strict Muscle-ups (Segment as needed). Level 3: 15 kipping muscle-ups (straight). Level 2: 15 kipping muscle-ups (segment as needed).Level 1: 45 pull-ups/45 dips.It seems most of the exercises are eminently scaleable, though a few are equipment-specific, specifically the P-bars.(I think surviving the entire thing constitutes a workout in and of itself.)I'm curious to hear any thoughts or opinions, especially regarding any blindspots or shortcomings it might have.regards,jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Stein Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 Bent Arm PodkatchkaPerform all group "A" exercises first, followed by all group "B" exercises.Rest 90-180 seconds between stations.Original post: http://gymnasticbodies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=479A1 Ring Muscle Ups15 repsA2 PBarSwinging dips to handstand.10 reps (20 dips - on the way in and out)A3 ParallettesL-sit press to handstand with bent arms 10 repsA4 Floor Cobra PressesPress from cobra stretch into handstand 10 repsA5 Rope climb in straddle-L-Sit2-5 reps @ 6 m(No rest and don’t touch floor.)A6 BarIce Cream Makers 10-20 reps(As slow as possible.)B1 Ring Kip-Ups 10 repsB2 PbarL-sit Dips 10-15 Reps(Heels level with glutes, full ROM)B3 ParallettesHandstand Push ups10-15 reps(Full ROM)B4 Floor Straddle L-sit Press to Handstand10 repsB5 Rope Reverse Chameleon Climb2-5 sets @ 6 mB6 BarOne arm chin ups5 reps per side X 5 second negativeStraight Arm PodkatchkaPerform all group "A" exercises first, followed by all group "B" exercises.Rest 90-180 seconds between stations.Original post: http://gymnasticbodies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=479A1 RingsTeeter TotterFrom an inverted hang, go down to full front lever, hold for 3 seconds. Pull back to inverted hang and go down into full back lever, hold for 3 seconds. Pull back to inverted hang. Repeat for 3-5 reps.A2 Floor DominoGo into a handstand. Partner holds toes and lowers straight body to floor, hold for 5 seconds.Partner lifts straight body to handstand.Turn hands to the outside one after the other.Partner now lowers straight body, open shoulder angle, to floor.(Push into the ground with hands and use thumbs for extra pressure. No arch.) Hold for 5 seconds.Partner lifts straight body to handstand. Repeat for 3 reps.A3 Swedish Ladder Straight-arm Dragon Flags. Lower slowly towards the floor and pull back up. Use the lowest bar in the ladder for grip and keep an open shoulder angle.5-10 reps.A4 Parallettes L-sit press handstand 10 repsA5 Rings 360 circle pullPull through a FL, to inverted, to BL, to StC., to return, with straight body.Perform 5 reps. Perform as slowly as possible.A6 PbarsSwing to handstand from support, lower slowly into planche/straddle planche, hold for 3 seconds, drop from the planche into a swing, and return to handstand. Repeat for 5-10 reps.A7 AbdominalsSit on the edge of a pommel horse with a partner securing your legs.Lower back from a sitting position into an arch, sit up, repeat 3 reps. Lower into a hollow position, hold for 10 seconds, repeat 3 times. 9 total reps and 3x10 second static hollow holds.Hold a 10 kg plate behind your neck.A8 Lower back Put your thighs on a pommel horse facing down with a partner securing your ankles. Start with 90-degree angle in your hips and perform 3 reps of hyperextensions into the highest position you can achieve. After the third rep lower into a straight body position and perform 20 gentle rotations (10 in each direction) around the vertical axis of your body. Repeat 3 times for a total of 9 reps and 3 X 20 rotations.Take a 10-20 kg plate behind your neck.B1 Rings Cross pull outs + statics.This exercise can either be performed with straps but also with a 10 kg plate strapped to your ankles, or without straps, normal grip, no added weight. Perform 3 pull outs, hold a 3-second cross. Repeat 3 times, 30-50 seconds cross holds and a normal grip cross.B2 High Bar Short kip-ups from support. Start with a support on a high bar.Lower back and down into a pike position, kip up back to support. Perform 10-15 reps.B3 Floor Press handstand from pike. 10-15 reps. (Touch floor with toes and repeat.)B4 Parallettes Straddle l-sit to straddle planche. Hold each position for 3 seconds, perform 3-5 total reps.B5 Pbars L-sit, V-sit combo.Perfom a supported l-sit on the pbars. hold for 3 seconds. Lift hips up into v-sit/manna hold for 3 seconds.Repeat for 3-5 reps.B6 Swedish Ladder Hanging leg raises. Attach 10 kg plate to ankles.Perform 10-20 reps.B7 AbsPerform A7.B8 Lower backPerform A8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Great idea, Jason. Your segmenting of the muscle-ups for the various levels is very well thought out. I look forward to seeing your other ideas on segmentation.I am heading out of town in the morning to the Olympic Training Center for a National Team Camp, but I will continue to give this some thought.Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Stein Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 The Podkatchka circuit above may be overly complex to function effectively as a Baseline, though I still think it would be a brilliant metric (and a workout).I personally don't have a lot of experience with weights, but using a few simple lifts would also generate concrete data points. It would have to be lifts that don't require a lot of technique --- maybe deadlift, overhead squat, military press, weighted pull-up? Again, I don't really know enough about weightlifting to know which exercises would accurately reflect carryover strength gains. Also, using weights requires access to a weight set-up. I also have observed that weightlifting does not task, require or measure the element of active flexibility required in gymnastic movements.Maybe a GB Baseline ought to require simpler movements requiring less specialized equipment. From what I've experienced in my own practices, a high volume of limited ROM exercises greatly impairs my flexibility. So I'll toss out some completely arbitrary numbers of reps that ought to be adjusted after experimentation, but the idea is if you can automatically bang out the requisite number, then in order to test any strength and flexibility gains, you would proceed to a progression at which you hit failure.The idea would be to see if, at the end of the next Steady State, you have improved on your max effort.Again, it's a circuit, to be completed with 90-180 seconds of rest between exercises. Total time would be measured, as well.[*:1dapuiqj]1. Push-upspush-ups/45-degree-incline push-ups/headstand push-ups/L headstand push-ups/full ROM handstand-push-ups/L full-ROM handstand push-ups10 reps[*:1dapuiqj]2. Pull-upsKip pull-ups/strict pull-ups/L pull-ups20 reps[*:1dapuiqj]3. Dips Dips/half-lay dips/L dips/V-sit dips10 reps[*:1dapuiqj]4. Squatair squat/SLS/crane SLS [don't let go of big toe]10 straight each leg[*:1dapuiqj]5. RopeRope climb/no legs/straddle/L-sit/V-sit3 trips, 6 meters[*:1dapuiqj]6. AbdominalsSit-ups/knees to elbow/V-ups/toes to bar25 reps[*:1dapuiqj]7. Muscle-upskip muscle-ups, segment/kip muscle-up, straight/strict muscle-up, segment/strict muscle-up, straight10A neglected aspect is flexibility --- all the handstand pressing requires flexibility, so if one doesn't have hip, hamstring or shoulder flexibility, they are very difficult, impossible, or performed incorrectly. So maybe there ought to be a GB Baseline for strength and one for flexibility?Though looking again at the Podkatchkas --- performing both the bent- and straight-arm versions will quickly diagnose flexibility deficiencies.Anyways, I intend to reduce volume this week and see about those podkatchkas this weekend.Regards,jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Stein Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well, I went for it --- it was very, very burly, but fun. I went for each exercise until I had to stop, let go of the bar, or come down. Or, towards the end, generate no lift.I've had a fair amount of practice with straight-arm pressing --- but not as much with bent-arm pressing, which became apparent when it came time to perform multiple reps of these exercises. Also, it was a great test of muscular endurance.The technical aspect, though, seems fairly advanced for a baseline metric --- our gym doesn't have quite the right p-bar set-up for swings to handstand, for example, and I've never practiced a few of these exercises, such as reverse chameleon rope climb or cobra press to handstand.Also, pretty psyched on 4 strict muscle-ups without coming off the rings. A1 RingsMuscle-ups4 strictA2 P BarSwinging dips to handstand6 half-dips to plancheA3 ParallettesL-sit to handstand4 l-sits to shoulder standA4 Floor Cobra Press4 press to plancheA5 RopeStraddle L-sit1 trip, 15 feetA6 BarIce-cream makers5B1 RingKip-upsNONE --- Skill deficiencyB2 P barL-sit dips10 at half ROMB3 ParallettesHSPU5, WAY limited ROM B4 FloorStraddle L-sit press to HS1/2! Arms were cookedB5 RopeReverse chameleon1/2B6 BarOne-arm chins!No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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