Dragondoor's New Cert.

[RawStrength]

Well said Josh. I personally think you have more credentials than Kavadlo!

[James Portillo]

I just can't get over that one guy mindlessly defending it as if his life depended on it though... somewhat sad in a way.

 

Ah well we have our own training and I'm happy with the fact i'm not paying $2k for timeless information.

[Joshua Naterman]

Well said Josh. I personally think you have more credentials than Kavadlo!

In some ways, for sure. Education and actual understanding of the body? No question in my mind, but I would be very surprised if there weren't specific calisthenics moves that he wasn't much better versed in. I also think that right now he would be a lot better at motivating his clients, as he's had a lot more practice doing that than I have recently.

 

We all have our strengths, and it is very difficult to work on a whole lot of things at the same time I know that from experience, because I do it all the time hahaha!

[Joshua Naterman]

I just can't get over that one guy mindlessly defending it as if his life depended on it though... somewhat sad in a way.

 

Ah well we have our own training and I'm happy with the fact i'm not paying $2k for timeless information.

WORD.

[Jim Murphy]

Personally, I'm not interested in paying for a PCC workshop. One of the "good things" we're seeing though is a new explosion of interest in bodyweight training techniques 'cause quite simply they yield "results".

 

Large numbers of exercise enthusiasts who used to spend $100's [if not $1000's] on gym or healthclub memberships have converted to bodyweight training at home which means some of them now have money to burn on PCC workshops or whatever. So really there's a growing market for bodyweight training "networking" with whomever they deem to be their ideal personal trainer, i.e., Coach Sommer, Al Kavadlo, or Joe Shmoe who's muscularly ripped and knows how to do backflips and has a pretty solid handstand as well. Caveat emptor!  

 

Jim

[AlexX]

CSCS is not a bad cert, and he has that, and that's a good thing. 

Just wanted to add that I have a CSCS, well used to I let it expire as I had no further need for it. While it is a better cert than most of the stuff out there, the problem is that most of the stuff out there is complete garbage. A CSCS shows some basic anatomical knowledge (A&P equivalent in college) basics on routine design, some periodization methods and cardiovascular routine design/knowledge. In my opinion having that cert really doesn't mean much besides showing you have basic knowledge as a trainer (as in bare minimum). This guy is charging $2,000, a CSCS in that scenario does not impress me. 

[emos]

Joe Shmoe who's muscularly ripped and knows how to do backflips and has a pretty solid handstand as well.

 

Yuri, basically.

[Jon Douglas]

But this...

 

1. FULL SQUATS:                         40 reps

2. FULL PUSH-UPS:                     30 reps

3. HANGING KNEE RAISES:      20 reps

4. FULL PULL-UPS:                     10 reps

 

That's the GRADUATION test????????

 

Without any exaggeration, that is easier to do perfectly than my standard warmup here.

 

 

 

Yes, people can spend their money on what they want, I hugely enjoyed my trip through RKC-style kettlebelling, but as far as I personally am concerned it would be plain irresponsible to myself to take any dragondoor resources with any seriousness after reading that page.

I don't like to comment on these sort of things and won't post again in this thread but I felt I had to express some incredulity.

[Jim Murphy]

Yuri, basically.

Oh no! I've seen Yuri's videos and he's several levels above the average Joe Shmoe I had in mind.

Yuri has very good technique. 

[Quick Start Test Smith]

Seems pretentious, that's for sure.

[Craig Mallett]

What's the purpose of this thread?  Do we really need to start these threads specifically to badmouth others? It doesn't really seem like its doing anything more than that.

 

Wouldn't it be better if we just continued training by (and for Coach and his staff offering training in) the strict high quality protocols of the GB system and let others do whatever it is they are going to do unless they ask us for our opinion? People are going to train all sorts of weird, sometimes wonderful, sometimes not overly effective and sometimes flat out unsafe things, but its not really our job to go around poking our noses in other people's businesses telling them that they are wrong; its just arrogant and extremely annoying for those on the receiving end, and doesnt really achieve anything for us except distracting ourselves from our own training.

[Coach Sommer]

What's the purpose of this thread?  Do we really need to start these threads specifically to badmouth others? It doesn't really seem like its doing anything more than that.

 

Wouldn't it be better if we just continued training by (and for Coach and his staff offering training in) the strict high quality protocols of the GB system and let others do whatever it is they are going to do unless they ask us for our opinion? People are going to train all sorts of weird, sometimes wonderful, sometimes not overly effective and sometimes flat out unsafe things, but its not really our job to go around poking our noses in other people's businesses telling them that they are wrong; its just arrogant and extremely annoying for those on the receiving end, and doesnt really achieve anything for us except distracting ourselves from our own training.

 

Well said, Craig.

 

Gentlemen, let's move on.  While your concern is appreciated, it is truly not needed; these kind of issues tend to be self-solving.  When someone is ready for more advanced training, they will make the effort to find us ... not before.

 

Yours in Fitness,

Coach Sommer

[Mark Weaver]

I don't see the problem with this. Of course you can learn about all that stuff online "for free", just like you can learn about absolutely anything else for free if you know where to look. But people still go to college, or get music lessons, or take language classes, or sign up to a gymnastics course, go to various sports and fitness seminars. The point is having hands-on and person-to-person training in something, which is completely different to watching YT and reading books.

 

There's also the expectation people have when they see credentials or certifications behind a name.  "I'm PCC certified."  What does that translate to?  "I spent a couple grand for a few days of instruction, and now I'm fully qualified to teach others in the only international standard for bodyweight strength training instruction."  Are there any other prerequisites besides money.

 

Compare that to Coach's Level 1 certification.  It's one of my goals, and I know I'm going to have to work my butt off to get, not just drop a couple grand for a weekend course.  It will probably take me a couple years.

 

I guess that's why you always find out what a certification means.

 

I have CPA credentials behind my name.  It means I have a master's degree in taxation (took me 5+ years), passed some pretty tough exams, and have to get at least 40 hours of continuing ed every year to keep those credentials.  That also means when people pay me money to advise them, they're getting their money's worth.  In my mind, Coach's certification is exactly what the industry needs.

[Tor]

Well said, Craig.

 

Gentlemen, let's move on.  While your concern is appreciated, it is truly not needed; these kind of issues tend to be self-solving.  When someone is ready for more advanced training, they will make the effort to find us ... not before.

 

Yours in Fitness,

Coach Sommer

Here's a funny thing. I'm - probably one of many - the proof.

I've followed Al for a time, whole last year, him and other celebs of the youtube community. It only took me a half of year to realize that Al couldn't give the information I wanted. Truth told I never had to ask. He is motivating, hos doing his thing and am happy for him doing that. Nothing more pleases me more than people doing this they love to do. But for me the lack of knowledge became too much.

 

And so I ended up here. Can't say I wasted my time, I did learn something. Now I'm just learning it all over again, and better.

My opinion.

 

And by the way. Although there may be different schools in terms of bodyweight training this site is unique. You may ask why? 

I've patrolled the net the last half year searching for good forums to discuss handstand topics, body weight topics and even in general training topics and I've become member in two places. The first is my a forum in my native language with the goal of beeing opposite of medias trainin instructions (Norway tends to focus on low fat, run long, stay perfect for the summer things. The latest discussion in media has a point of view that protein supplements is dangerous and so on) and this site. Commonly for the both is that the community is open for discussion, easy to understand and polite.

 

GB is giving me the basics. The foundation which is unqestionable in my opinion. This site gives me the answers in a scientific way, explainin how and why. Not just It works and it's proved I tend to see elsewhere.

 

TL;DR

This is unique because of the community, the respect given, the knowledge and the non-schooled way of showing the primary basics of bodywehgit training. How we use this information is up to us. Gymnast, Crossfitter, Freerunner, Handbalancer, Chalistenics.. yea you name it.

 

Sorry for long post. I didn't have time to write a short one.

-Tor

[Archbishop o balance]

Here's a funny thing. I'm - probably one of many - the proof.

I've followed Al for a time, whole last year, him and other celebs of the youtube community. It only took me a half of year to realize that Al couldn't give the information I wanted. Truth told I never had to ask. He is motivating, hos doing his thing and am happy for him doing that. Nothing more pleases me more than people doing this they love to do. But for me the lack of knowledge became too much.

 

And so I ended up here. Can't say I wasted my time, I did learn something. Now I'm just learning it all over again, and better.

My opinion.

 

And by the way. Although there may be different schools in terms of bodyweight training this site is unique. You may ask why? 

I've patrolled the net the last half year searching for good forums to discuss handstand topics, body weight topics and even in general training topics and I've become member in two places. The first is my a forum in my native language with the goal of beeing opposite of medias trainin instructions (Norway tends to focus on low fat, run long, stay perfect for the summer things. The latest discussion in media has a point of view that protein supplements is dangerous and so on) and this site. Commonly for the both is that the community is open for discussion, easy to understand and polite.

 

GB is giving me the basics. The foundation which is unqestionable in my opinion. This site gives me the answers in a scientific way, explainin how and why. Not just It works and it's proved I tend to see elsewhere.

 

TL;DR

This is unique because of the community, the respect given, the knowledge and the non-schooled way of showing the primary basics of bodywehgit training. How we use this information is up to us. Gymnast, Crossfitter, Freerunner, Handbalancer, Chalistenics.. yea you name it.

 

Sorry for long post. I didn't have time to write a short one.

-Tor

 

Ooh.. Fellow Norwegian? Dandy! Out of curiosity, Tor, which forum are you visiting?

[Joseph Fradelakis]

im a CPA too MArk and let me tell you. plenty of CPA's are dumbasses. (not referring to myself of course   )

[Mark Weaver]

im a CPA too MArk and let me tell you. plenty of CPA's are dumbasses. (not referring to myself of course   )

Ha ha, have to agree with you there.  Just like school: there are A students and those that squeak by.  And it's the same in the profession as well.  Probably the same in any profession.  Regardless of the letters behind your name, I guess it come down to whether your an A or an F in what you do.

 

Coach's stuff?  A+ material.