ring routine composition strategy

[igalk474]

after analyzing some of the latest routines that were used by:

yuri van gelder, iordan iovtchev, alexey nemov, chen yibing, yuri chechi,danny rodriguez, Petrounias eleftherios ,

dmitry kasperovich,alexander balandin,axleander Safoshkin,Yan Mingyong, Szilveszter Csollany,

Hiroyuki Tomita, Andreas Wecker, Philip Boy,Ivan Ivankov, Alex Shatilov...

i've noticed some similar strategy for composing them , for example, let's take yuri van gelder's routine (2011):

(A) dislocate bwd piked

(E) felge upward with straight arms to maltese

(E) van gelder

(D) felge bwd stretched to azarian to L cross

(D) press to inverted cross

(D) uprise bwd to jonasson

(E) uprise bwd to maltese

(E) press to inverted cross

(D) uprise bwd to planche

© felge upward with straight arms to handstand

© double salto bwd stretched

0.1+0.5+0.5+0.4+0.4+0.4+0.5+0.5+0.4+0.3+0.3

=

4.3

11 elements

40 sec , less than 4 sec per element

from what i see, the strategy is to :

start the routine with something easy for warmup,

then do couple of the hardest skills you can do while you are not tired , or your signature move

then fill the rest with a little less difficult skills (make sure you do all the element groups, except swing to handstand, which is at the end)

near the end do couple of hard skills, to leave a good impression before finish,

warm down with less difficult skill, before dismount,

then from handstand do a dismount, at least a C, not something too hard ,something safe, to not damage the final impression and the rest of the routine, and make sure you stick it

what do you do when you compose a routine, what considerations do you take when composing it?

[Razz]

Someone like Gregor can probably answer this better, but the warm up and cooldown doesn't exactly hold true. From what I've seen they do the harder strength skills early in the routine, then some swings, then some less hard strength skills followed by giants and dismount.

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[igalk474]

thanks

this is their routines:

Yuri van Gelder:

dislocate bwd piked

felge upward with straight arms to maltese

van gelder (from maltese to planche)

felge bwd stretched to azarian to L cross

press to inverted cross

uprise bwd to jonasson

uprise bwd to maltese

press to inverted cross

uprise bwd to planche

felge upward with straight arms to handstand

double salto bwd stretched

Iordan Iovtchev:

from hang, pull straight to inverted hang

kip to maltese

press to inverted cross

lower to inverted hang then through back lever pull to l cross / like jovtchev to L cross

press to inverted cross

jonasson

yamawaki

honma to iron cross

press to maltese

felge upward with straight arms to handstand

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist at the end

Chen Yibing:

azarian to L cross

press to maltese

press to inverted cross

jonasson to planche

swing bwd and fall to honma to iron cross

press to inverted cross

fall to honma to maltese

lower slowly through cross to hang

slow inlocate from hang

kip and uprise bwd to handstand

bwd giant swing

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist at the end

Danny Rodrigues:

dislocate bwd piked

rodrigues

from victorian return to inverted hang and from there pull to maltese

uprise fwd to L victorian

press to inverted cross

jonasson to maltese

pull to victorian

azarian to L cross

fall and uprise fwd to L sit

straddle press to handtand

back giant to handstand

double salto bwd stretched

Alexander Balandin:

felge bwd slowly with straight arms to maltese

lower to inverted hang lower to hang

balandin 2

jonasson

yamawaki

honma to iron cross

lower to slow inlocate from hang to inverted hang

uprise bwd to maltese

nakayama to iron cross

lower to slow inlocate from hang to inverted hang

uprise bwd to planche

uprise fwd to handstand

front giant

double salto fwd piked / balabanov

Eleftherios Petrounias:

felge bwd slowly with straight arms to maltese

azarian to L cross

press to inverted cross

jonasson

uprise bwd to inverted cross

uprise bwd to maltese

nakayama

uprise fwd slowly to inverted hang

kip to planche

uprise fwd to handstand

back giant

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist at the end

Yuri Chechi:

from hang, pull straight to inverted hang

kip to maltese

nakayama to L cross

press to maltese

lower tp front lever and pull to iron cross / like pineda

dislocate bwd piked

uprise fwd to L sit

press with straight body and arms to handstand

uprise bwd to handstand

back giant

double salto bwd stretched

Dmitry Kasperovich:

azarian to L cross

press to maltese

nakayama to cross

lower to slow inlocate from hang

kip to planche

uprise fwd to inverted cross

uprise bwd to inveerted cross

jonasson

uprise bwd to handstand

back giant to handstand

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist at the end

Alexei Nemov:

from hang, pull straight to inverted hang

dislocate bwd piked

uprise fwd to inverted cross

guczoghy

O'Neill

guczoghy

uprise fwd to handstand

back giant to handstand

front giant to handstand

back giant

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist at the end

Alexander Safoshkin:

felge bwd slowly with straight arms to maltese

press to inverted cross

uprise bwd to honma to L cross

press to inverted cross

lower to inverted hang and kip to maltese

press to planche

swing bwd and fall to jonasson

planche

uprise fwd to handstand

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist

Yan Mingyong:

felge bwd slowly with straight arms to maltese

press to planche

van gelder (from planche to maltese)

through inverted hang felge bwd slowly with straight arms to maltese

lower slowly through cross to hang

slow inlocate from hang

kip and uprise bwd to inverted cross

uprise bwd to jonasson

uprise bwd to planche

swing bwd and fall to honma to iron cross

from cross lower to back lever and pull back to cross

lower slowly through cross to hang

slow inlocate from hang

kip and uprise bwd to handstand

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist

Szilveszter Csollany:

from hang, pull straight to inverted hang

kip to maltese

press to planche

swing bwd and fall to uprise bwd to maltese

nakayama (to iron cross)

lower to slow inlocate from hang

kip to inverted cross

uprise bwd to handstand

lower through inverted cross to maltese than through iron cross to azarian to iron cross

fall to felge bwd to L sit

press with bend arms and straight body to handstand

back giant

double salto bwd stretched

arthur zanetti:

felge bwd from hang to planche

van gelder(from planche to maltese)

lower straight to inverted hang fwd

kip to uprise bwd to planche

lower straight to inverted hang fwd

kip to jonnason to straddle planche

lower straight to inverted hang bwd

felge bwd to maltese

nakayama to iron cross

lower to hang, rise to inverted hang

kip to honma to cross

lower to hang, rise to inverted hang

kip to uprise bwd to handstand

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist

Hiroyuki Tomita:

azarian to L cross

press to inverted cross

honma to maltese

nakayama (to L cross)

press to maltese

lower bwd with straight body to inverted hang

dislocate bwd piked

uprise fwd to inverted cross

uprise fwd to handstand

jonasson to handstand

front giant

double salto fwd piked with 1/2 twist at the end

Philipp Boy:

from hang, pull straight to inverted hang

kip to L sit

lower to maltese

lower to azatian to iron cross

lower to slow inlocate from hang to inverted hang

kip to straddle planche

uprise fwd to handstand

uprise bwd to jonasson

yamawaki

honma to iron cross

lower to slow inlocate from hang to inverted hang

kip and uprise bwd to handstand

double salto fwd piked / balabanov

Ivan Ivankov:

slow inlocate from hang

kip to maltese

uprise fwd to inverted cross

uprise bwd to invered cross

uprise bwd to planche

uprise fwd to handstand

front giant

uprise bwd to handstand

back giant

double salto bwd stretched with 1 twist

Alex Shatilov:

from hang, pull straight to inverted hang

dislocate bwd piked

uprise fwd to inverted cross

uprise fwd to handstand

uprise bwd to handstand

uprise bwd to jonasson

yamawaki

uprise bwd to straddle L sit

L sit

press with bend arms and straight body to handstand

back giant

double salto tucked with 2 twists

[igalk474]

this looks like a good routine:

* = 2 sec hold

(A) slow inlocate from hang

(D) kip to maltese*

(E) van gelder (from maltese to planche*)

(D) press to inverted cross*

(D) uprise bwd to jonasson

(B+C) to honma to inverted cross*

(E) jovtchev (to maltese*)

(F) rodrigues*, lower to hang

(E) balandin 2 (to inverted cross*)

(D) lower from inverted cross through maltese than through iron cross to azarian to iron cross* (like csollany)

(A) lower slowly through cross to slow inlocate from hang (like chen yibing)

© kip and uprise bwd to planche*

(B) uprise fwd to chechi

© uprise bwd to handstand*

© double salto bwd stretched

0.1+0.4+0.5+0.4+0.4+0.2+0.3+0.5+0.6+0.5+0.4+0.1+0.3+0.2+0.3+0.3

=

5.5

18 sec = holds

32 sec = swings, presses

=

50 sec

this is an illustration of it:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/ ... final.jpg/

[igalk474]

1996 atlanta yuri chechi gold routine:

hang

piked dislocate to chechi to maltese*

to L cross*

to inverted hang

kip to L sit*

straddle press straight hands to handstand*

lower to planche*

lower to iron cross* (look/nod left , right, center ,smile while holding)

lean back to inverted hang

kip to piked dislocate to felge bwd to handstand*

back giant

double salto bwd straight dismount -> stick* , (wave hands,smile...)

[Joshua Slocum]

First, you should know about some basics of the rules:

1. Only the ten highest-valued elements are counted towards the difficulty score. You can include more skills, but they won't increase your score. (Often you'll find low-valued elements interspersed within a high-level routine. They're mostly there because the gymnast uses them to proceed from one position to another. E.g. Van Gelder begins with a dislocate because he needs to build up a swing for his first real skill.)

2. There are five element groups. You get .5 points for each group that you perform at least one element in. On rings these groups are: swing and basic strength elements (e.g. a dislocate), swing to handstand elements (e.g. a giant), swing to strength elements (e.g. back uprise to maltese), strength elements (e.g. a maltese), and the dismount.

3. The dismount category has an additional requirement: in order to get full credit for fulfilling the dismount category, a gymnast must perform a skill with a 'D' or higher value: a 'C' will only get you .3 points, and an 'A' or 'B' skill gets you no points for the element group.

In terms of composition tactics, generally a gymnast will seek to split their strength into two sequences, with a swing sequence in between to give themselves a bit of a 'rest.' After the second strength sequence usually comes one or two more swings and the dismount. This is not a hard and fast rule, but it is a common pattern.

[andiswf]

hey!

mostly gymnasts tend to start with their signature move or the "new" strength-elements or the hardest.

however, gymnasts have all their prefered elements..

few days ago I competed my first routine with start value of 6 my last strength elements before dismount were for example press to swallow and kip to cross..

What will be VERY interesting (if you are interested in composition of rings routines at all)

is, what the routines will be with the NEW CODE of points!

changes: only 3 strength elements in a row!!!(it is 4 now, until 2013)

only B-value SWING elements can lead to a new "strength row" (NO KIPS!!!!!!)

jonnasson piked and streched is the same element(only D-value)

>> PROBLEM: so what will gymnasts do, who had 7 high value (means D+) strength elements?

if you dont know what i mean, I will take the olympic gold routine from arthur zanetti:

he had total 7 strength and/or swing to strength elements!

1x swing (jonnasson)

1x swing to hdstd

1x dismount

so he did 3 strength in a row(=direct succession) - 1 swing - 4strength in a row- swing to handstand - dismount

with the new rules maybe we will see 3strength - 1 swing(jonasson) - 3strength - 1swing to handstand - 1 strength - 1 dismount

I think thats what I will do... but it makes it harder to get to handstand for the dismount (means i will need an extra element as a press to handstand). or try a double pike forward from inverted hang

if you change the routine to 1 more swing element (jonasson + tucked one BUT what is only a C!!!) there will be NO problem.

another possibility to get another high value swing element would be Guczoghy elements?!

it will be hard to have only high value elements and no C-element except the swing to handstand...

[igalk474]

thanks

only 3 strength elements in a row?

i will probably need to change the routine i wanted to do

[Blairbob]

I haven't seen these new changes. Whoa. Only 3 elements besides no kip to strength?

Yeah, I missed the Judging course this year. Had to work, to eat and not starve. Bah.

[andiswf]

I haven't seen these new changes. Whoa. Only 3 elements besides no kip to strength?

Yeah, I missed the Judging course this year. Had to work, to eat and not starve. Bah.

what do you mean with no kip to strength? you are allowed to do kip to strength!

only the sequence of 3 strength and/or swing(or kip) to strength is new! (it was 4 in the old code..)

the "B-value" swing requirement between the strength parts was also in the old code! but now all kip/back kip elements will not result in a new recognized strength sequence :/

my english is not the best from the 4 languages I can communicate so here is the part of the new

code of points 2013:

Article 12.2.2

2.: ...Thus, for example a final swallow position may only be used twice (belonging to Element Groups 3 and/or 4)for difficulty credit.

However not more than 3 such elements can be presented in direct succession. The 4th and subsequent Elements from Group III and/or IV of the same sequence will be considered as repetition, and not recognized by the D jury.

However if the gymnast decides to execute more elements from

Element Groups III and/or IV, in order to be recognized by the “D†Jury, he must perform at least a B value swing element (except any kind of kip/back kip) between the first sequence of maximum 3, and another element or sequence from Element Groups III and/

or IV.