Banzas Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Flexibility is harder to improve specially on shoulders. I don't know about the technique so I'll not comment that part but... when will you learn to keep body tight, legs completely together and completely POINTED feet? That will help you a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 AS technique I don't teach this back swing technique. but that is your decision.First thing is as Banzas said when will you learn to keep body tight, legs completely together and completely POINTED feet? That will help you a lot..Second thing don't push chest out at front swing, make hollow body position with abs and ass thight and pelvis rotated (like doing corect plank).Third try to touch (not phisicly, but visualisated) the rings cables with fingers at front swing.Forth at the bottom turn rigs to under grip and push them down troguh front swing (also for the drop to the hang position). Also lightly apart (wider).First thing correct front swing then you'll go to the back swing (you obviously don't have any profesional to help you, so this would be first task for you).For back swing (I said I don't teach shoulder rotation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Thanksi can swing with feet together and pointedi wasn't focusing on that , but more on theprogression, and the back swing with shoulder rotationto improve flexibility, i didn't try to do a swing, i tried the progressionlook at other videos where i do swings, the legs are better it just i wasn't used to the range of the shoulder rotation on the back swingmy front swing is usually better than my back swing,but i'll try itmy main issue is the back swingwhy don't you teach that technique?can you elaborate about what you do teach for the back swing?thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 new video:d2LIBAbpfkk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 did a double salto bwd (tucked) from rings dismount:U6Nzg_OWtsk going to improve it later, need to do an higher dismount, and do the first salto above the rings and have more momentum before dismountalso fix the bent legs just before the dismountalso my swings improved a little,i feel i'm getting close getting my legs above rings height Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 here is an anlysis of my dismount from the post before:xhSYsu6_QQ4 appearently, yuri van gelder, starts the dismount later then i do,he waits till he is almost finished the whole 360 degrees , a little beforei leave the hands at a little after i finish 270 degrees, if it was a circle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 new training videos,while on vacationtraining on coral beach sunset:Pe5L3n_8Emg also tried some flying trapeze:EuxE7iK0hN4 also,feeling some improvment in shoulder flexibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Ring swing is still too horizontal for now. It needs to turn more upside down/vertical. For saltos, you don't really let go until you are upside down on the rings. Think inlocate/dislocate above rings, let go and tuck/pike/layed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 thanksi'll try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Gt_L4K_DpHc new video from trainingstill working on swings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hurwitz Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I just came across the level 6/7 rings routine that Ryan posted.This is very interesting and I'm glad I came across it! I'm most surprised that level 6/7 athletes are able perform a straddle planche on rings. I attend an adults class and I see the kids at that level workout all the time. None of them are even close to that kind of strength. Is it just expected that young athletes who grew up in gymnastics have such a wide straddle that it would essentially require the amount of lean that my flat tuck planche does? Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 more videos from recent training:HuEBLONun44 eH2g32oEHcE still working on swings a lot, feels like it's getting better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Your XR handstand needs a lot of work, my friend. I really think you need to be spending a lot of time with feet on the straps and a much straighter body. Over time you can reduce foot pressure to make the XR HS more like doing it without straps and eventually you'll be able to hold good form without the straps. What you are doing right now is literally moving you backwards in terms of progress, in my opinion, because you are teaching your body to automatically go to a strong arch instead of a much straighter position. This is training the chest at the expense of the traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 thanks!i'll work more with the straps,also now i started to do couple of months of general all body conditioning, especially for abs and back,since i usually use my upper body to lift me , and not the whole body,so i need stronger back and abs, working on itespecially fixing this arch on the back, whether it's an handstand, p-bar swings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 new video from training: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 You're still "muscling" a lot of your swing movements but you are definitely improving. Try keeping your head in during both sides of your ring swings. No more head out. It's causing your swing to be too horizontal in both directions. Body composition and muscle is definitely improving. You are still small but that works for you at 110 pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 thanks!i'll keep wokring on the swings morealso i started at the end of each week, to work on conditioning and endurace,most week i work on maximal strength and hyperthrophy, very intense,and on the end of the week i do conditioning with light weight -high reps forpush up , pull ups, sit ups,back extension,squats... Circuits and HIIT(tabata)so i think it's helping, also i do 1-2 days of rest between training sessions for recovery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 i found out couple of tips that helped me improve my swings:on the back swing head should be neutral or looking up,not tucked in because you will do an inlocatewhen hanging or swinging, it's important to be really really stretched , all the way,push and put pressure on the rings,and contract your abs so that the energy of the swing will not be diffused and absorbed on the part where the muscles were not contracted usually where the abs are, be solid like a stick and not like rubber,and not break the chain of movement & weight/energy transfer,so that the energy of the swing will go through out the entire body,from hands to feet and from feet to hands,you will feel the weight goes up and down through out your body, and the swing getting stronger and strongerit's also importand to use the shoulder girdle part, when you are hanging/swinging stretched, the movment should come from there, make sure the swing angle and kicks are sharp enough and timed right, you shouldn't try to swing in a circle, you should swing in an ellipse so make sure the angle is sharper , and don't forget to time right the latheral arm movment and make sure it comes from the shoulder girdle part,on the back swing make sure arms are not too close and there is sufficient latheral movment of the arms, for you to continue go upward, so it wont stop your momentumwhen you swing like that, your dismount will be better, you will definately feel an higher air time till you land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 new video from training , with improvments: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 you still need to work on keeping your head in on your front swing and not throwing it back. still muscling back uprises too much, let it swing more then push down while kicking. hold the L's. impressed with the strength work though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 thanks i'll try to work on itkeeping the head in on the front swingand correct timing of the uprise to l sit from swing also noticed that on the jonasson the arms got too close to the body when i did the spinand should be done higher and the inlocate should be done with the body straight without pike on the swing i might need to incorporate more of the latheral arm movment and sharper angle on the back swing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Slocum Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I would recommend that you stop working the Jonasson until you've built up a much better swing. The skill is supposed to be a double salto piked into a swing. What you appear to be doing in the video is inlocating to an inverted hang, then kipping to support, and rolling forward [in rapid succession]. If you keep working the skill as you are, you're going to build up bad habits. Just as in developing strength, with swinging skills you need to patiently follow progressions and not jump ahead. If you work skills too much above your level, you'll be unable to perform then effectively and thus hit a plateau. Before beginning Jonasson work in earnest, you need to master your back swing, learn a Honma, learn to do a front bail, learn a double front tuck dismount, and learn to do a good yamawaki. This video shows a good example of a Jonasson: http://youtu.be/DjciBnJOBdI Note how after completing the first salto, the gymnast is well above the rings, allowing him to easily complete a second salto before his weight is placed on the rings again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 thanks, you are right,it's a bad habit,i'll focus more on the swings,it's just fun do to it thanks, i'll try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Slocum Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 thanks, you are right,it's a bad habit,i'll focus more on the swings,it's just fun do to it thanks, i'll try it Just remember: patience and persistence. Consistently put in good, hard work and you'll get there eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igalk474 Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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