Aurelio Paras Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 A little friendly physics!I believe coach said the Planche Pushup was equivalent to benching twice your bodyweight or 200%What would be the benchpress figures for the following:1) Tuck Planche Pushups2) Flat Tuck Planche Pushups3) Straddle Planche pushups4) 1/2 Planche Pushupsthx ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Sapinoso Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I believe he said it was equivalent (or harder than) bench pressing 3 x your body weight while having your back and feet supported by stability balls...[= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelio Paras Posted April 15, 2011 Author Share Posted April 15, 2011 :shock: Do you have an article I can see on this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Sapinoso Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm not sure where it was posted, i think Coach Sommer was being interviewed by a bodybuilding website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Dano Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm not sure where it was posted, i think Coach Sommer was being interviewed by a bodybuilding website...T-nation, its a very good article.http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/all_muscle_no_iron;jsessionid=D60277B88698548D9EE1DE2A8A660A27-mcd02.hydra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Griffin Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I believe he said it was equivalent (or harder than) bench pressing 3 x your body weight while having your back and feet supported by stability balls...[=Curious - can we get someone to do the math and figure out precisely how much force a planche exerts? There has to be some mechanical engineers around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 You would have to know the tendon insertions specific to the person..but you can probably get some averages and calculate some stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelio Paras Posted April 15, 2011 Author Share Posted April 15, 2011 Would the tuck planche pushup on a set of paralettes be roughly equivalent to 1x bodyweight bench press? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbryk Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Bench and planche aren't entirely the same, I believe a power press may be more equivalent as the elbows will not be at 90 degrees rather they will be by your hips during the pressing movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Would the tuck planche pushup on a set of paralettes be roughly equivalent to 1x bodyweight bench press?Probably not, but that's hard to judge. When I was benching 235 at bw of 225 for something like 20 reps or so I was able to do 8 or 9 tuck planche push ups but they weren't all perfect. This was about two years ago, a few months after I started. You could make approximate measurements based on a photo of your tuck planche and calculate lever lengths and do some basic physics to get a rough estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael David Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 For curiosity one month ago i tested my bench and the result was 198lbs for one rep, i weight 134lbs and do 3 sets of 3 reps of flat tuck planche pushups (strict reps) currently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelio Paras Posted April 16, 2011 Author Share Posted April 16, 2011 Thanks for the replies guys Slizzardman-----Do you happen to have a basic set up of the equations I would use? I'm afraid its been too long since I took basic physics..Would the problem be classified under torques and rigid bodies??.....Thank you kind sir!Mikael-------How long ago did you start bodyweight training? What was your starting bench?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Suri Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 For curiosity one month ago i tested my bench and the result was 198lbs for one rep, i weight 134lbs and do 3 sets of 3 reps of flat tuck planche pushups (strict reps) currently...Those are impressive numbers for your size! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Sapinoso Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 I'm not so sure it's as simple as plugging in a few equations, plus the answer would tell you only the equivalence of force at a certain point and joint angle, it wouldn't say anything about the movement as a whole...unless I'm mistaken (wouldn't be surprised, me no likey physics) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Tsoonami: You're right, it will only tell you the force necessary at the very top. That's one of the cool things about planche though, it's easier at the bottom of the push up and harder as you go up. In theory that should make it pretty good for teaching progressive acceleration.I am talking about drawing a triangle from your shoulder to your hands to the point in the center of your body directly over the hands. Once you have that triangle you would measure the angle with a protractor (or use SOH CAH TOA) and then... i forget what to do from then. But yea, you could run it as a basic toque problem. You could also do basic tension, which isn't that different. I can't actually remember how to do all that stuff either, that's why I keep my physics book around lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelio Paras Posted April 16, 2011 Author Share Posted April 16, 2011 grrrr! Joint angles!!!! alright, I'm gonna hit the books tonight and study rigid bodies! I wonder how they figured a push-up was 65% bodyweight? Wonder if that figure is accurate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 68.84% for me, I just measured 143.2 lbs with hands on the scale at 208 BW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelio Paras Posted April 16, 2011 Author Share Posted April 16, 2011 that's because you have hulk arms, haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael David Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Mikael-------How long ago did you start bodyweight training? What was your starting bench??I have trained for a year or more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelio Paras Posted April 16, 2011 Author Share Posted April 16, 2011 keep up the good work, sir Mikael! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 ... I believe he said it was equivalent (or harder than) bench pressing 3 x your body weight while having your back and feet supported by stability balls...2x bodyweight; not 3x.Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Based on what I have seen that is at LEAST 100% accurate. True controlled full lay planche push up with proper form is pretty insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Verma Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Honestly, I feel closer to a 350 lb bench press than a full planche right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was higher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animalonfire Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 grrrr! Joint angles!!!! alright, I'm gonna hit the books tonight and study rigid bodies! I wonder how they figured a push-up was 65% bodyweight? Wonder if that figure is accurate...Torque (moments) from feet to center of mass is the same as torque from feet to hands Fxd=fxD, or in the true spirit of Occam's razor, whack a scale under the hands .Planche pushups I think would be torque of holding the planche + torque of benching(or nearest equivalent) the weight. If anyone has trouble with this stuff, absorb physics is a great resource. U:student6774 P:silver . I don't think that will get you into any other sciences(not payed for by my school), but you might get lucky.http://www.absorblearning.com/physics/contents.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelio Paras Posted April 16, 2011 Author Share Posted April 16, 2011 With such a difficult maneuver, I bet even the smallest change in velocity can greatly affect the difficulty as well. One day, I will planche walk for 1 mile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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