Joshua Slocum 2,713 Posted December 31, 2012 I guess, for someone to get closer to CTI than the guy on the video, they need to do a lot of hardcore ring training for years. Extensive ring training is likely to be extremely counterproductive. A full CTI would require about as much arm strength as a cross to support the elbow joint, but beyond that any additional strength would likely hurt rather than help due to increased muscle mass. The main limiting factor for the CTI is grip and wrist strength. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Blu 3 Posted December 31, 2012 Extensive ring training is likely to be extremely counterproductive. A full CTI would require about as much arm strength as a cross to support the elbow joint, but beyond that any additional strength would likely hurt rather than help due to increased muscle mass. The main limiting factor for the CTI is grip and wrist strength. Well, then I would that CTI is a little bit useless. It doesn't build neither ultimate strength of upper body, neither balance, or power. It's just a trick. But an impressive one.Because in the end, training the wrist is less productive than training for other strength elements. The muscles are too small, and you will have to spend years of training. And hardcore stress on the wrists can be achieved in something like Maltese on the wrists( don't think it's safe though)http://youtu.be/r-MNvZvqim0?t=32s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jordi Van Gelder 5 Posted December 31, 2012 Have you guys noticied that little bounce he does holding the cti? I think this move cannot be performed for the center of mass. I tried that move in the water, and failed, the feet just go forward. If you cannot perform a move in the water then its impossible. My opinion, a fake, but don't know how they did it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrpraktic 15 Posted January 8, 2013 They are not twins. It's the same guy. So how can he hold flag more than minute, and stand nearby talking at the same time ?? This is his comment on YouTube: “I use a student version of Adobe Premeire - it's a fairly simple edit. Camera on tripod, film twice, cut each frame in half, stick em together ;-)â€I'm not saying that this video of CTI is fake; I'm just saying that you can't trust any video that you see.Sory for my bad English. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anze Merhar 14 Posted January 8, 2013 Also, you're mixing units. Torque is not force. Units of torque measure mass*distance/time^2, whereas unites of force measure mass/time^2. Torque is a measure of how strongly something is being rotated, and force is a measure of how strongly something is being pushed. I would just like to correct this, as per Newton's second law, F = ma or Force is equal to mass * acceleration, which gives it the unit of [kg*m/s²] or Newton. Whereas torque has a unit of [kg*(m/s)²] or Newton Meter, which would give it mass * length of lever ² * angular acceleration (that has a unit of [rad/s²]). Or Force x length of lever (vector product). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua Slocum 2,713 Posted January 8, 2013 Good catch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joseph Fradelakis 31 Posted January 10, 2013 CTI is never coming. So stop waiting 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alec_ar 18 Posted January 10, 2013 Let them wait bro. Sometimes believing in the impossible or near-impossible can inspire and nurture creative thinking and an open mind. It can help people push their own boundaries.A wise man once said: Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irongymnast 1 Posted March 4, 2013 But in the end, I would choose Victorian Cross as the ultimate strength goal not CTI. It's real, it's very rare, and if you train for it, you will get the ultimate upper body strength.err.. what is a Victorian Cross? Are you referring to the "Victorian" move on the rings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZRX38 8 Posted March 4, 2013 err.. what is a Victorian Cross? Are you referring to the "Victorian" move on the rings?I think some people refer to it as victorian cross, yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irongymnast 1 Posted March 4, 2013 Because a "true" Victorian cross would be very cti. I am imagining it as an L-sit but rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise and with arms exactly placed as in the iron cross. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gssj3 16 Posted March 4, 2013 this is the best CTI that i have found and on this video you can see all the body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua Naterman 1,765 Posted March 4, 2013 CTI is never coming. So stop waitingHAHAHA!!! You liked your own post Agreed, CTI is nonsense as a static position. Back to F1 and HS1... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Klaudius Petrulis 103 Posted March 4, 2013 HAHAHA!!! You liked your own post Agreed, CTI is nonsense as a static position. Back to F1 and HS1...Dream killer :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua Naterman 1,765 Posted March 4, 2013 Lol There's a difference between dreams that are actually possible and drug-induced fantasies of altering the laws of physics 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Klaudius Petrulis 103 Posted March 4, 2013 I'll prove you wrong on this one Mr. Naterman, even if I have to get bionic arms. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua Slocum 2,713 Posted March 4, 2013 Lol There's a difference between dreams that are actually possible and drug-induced fantasies of altering the laws of physics There is nothing physically impossible about performing the CTI. Unless you're constrained to using unmodified human wrists and fingers. Which for the moment, we all are. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua Naterman 1,765 Posted March 4, 2013 Hahaha! Well, cybernetics would certainly have the potential to change the impossibility factor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SuperBru Posted March 4, 2013 I've witnessed many people who do calisthenics master this exercise. Are you sure it is impossible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua Naterman 1,765 Posted March 4, 2013 As shown in that video? Yes. If the center of mass is actually under the hands? Of course not, that's a front lever variation. I haven't even seen this though. If you can take some videos of people holding the position for several seconds (like 2-3 seconds of unchanging position) and broadcast them live, I'll take it back. I've seen momentary holds, which is just the change in momentum from up to down, after pulling up with a straight arm kip-type movement, but I have yet to see one legitimate HOLD. If there were multiple people doing this, I think at least one of them would have their accomplishments on a competition setting, with a complex moving background of people, which would be extremely hard to fake (compared to the video that is the topic of recent discussion). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SuperBru Posted March 4, 2013 Form seems pretty good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alessandro Mainente 10,583 Posted March 4, 2013 he is pushing with one foot against the pole... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SuperBru Posted March 4, 2013 he is pushing with one foot against the pole...Oh now I see it. Good point! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
