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Robb Wolf's "The Paleo Solution" is Now Available.


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I'm not sure that because we're 60% water we then must eat fruits and vegetables because they're mostly water. We can also just drink water. As far as the god made our physiology thing, I'm not going to get into a debate about religion but humans are well equipped to digest meat. Meat is also the only way humans could get B12 during our entire evolution, which is a required nutrient in our diet. We didn't have supplements until recently and we didn't consume dairy after we stopped breastfeeding. The very fact we require a nutrient that is only found in meat (and dairy, but we didn't consume dairy past early childhood and it was human milk, not animal milk) means we had to eat meat during our evolution. Many anthropologists and evolutionary biologists also believe it was our consumption of meat that lead to our divergence from chimpanzees. Learning to cook with fire and meat consumption are often argued, pretty successfully, as the very catalysts that made us the humans we are today. To say we have a physiology that is not well equipped to utilize meat is, I believe, erroneous. Anyways, I think this is maybe a subject we are going to have to agree to disagree on, so I won't be commenting on this specific issue anymore.

I'd like to explain that to my parents. They are vegan and disapprove of me eating meat unfortunately. However, I'm sure they will ask me how they've survived thus far without getting their B12. Do you know if it's found elsewhere now via processing, like bread or something? Apologies if this appears very ignorant, but the fact is... I am!

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I'm not sure that because we're 60% water we then must eat fruits and vegetables because they're mostly water. We can also just drink water. As far as the god made our physiology thing, I'm not going to get into a debate about religion but humans are well equipped to digest meat. Meat is also the only way humans could get B12 during our entire evolution, which is a required nutrient in our diet. We didn't have supplements until recently and we didn't consume dairy after we stopped breastfeeding. The very fact we require a nutrient that is only found in meat (and dairy, but we didn't consume dairy past early childhood and it was human milk, not animal milk) means we had to eat meat during our evolution. Many anthropologists and evolutionary biologists also believe it was our consumption of meat that lead to our divergence from chimpanzees. Learning to cook with fire and meat consumption are often argued, pretty successfully, as the very catalysts that made us the humans we are today. To say we have a physiology that is not well equipped to utilize meat is, I believe, erroneous. Anyways, I think this is maybe a subject we are going to have to agree to disagree on, so I won't be commenting on this specific issue anymore.

I'd like to explain that to my parents. They are vegan and disapprove of me eating meat unfortunately. However, I'm sure they will ask me how they've survived thus far without getting their B12. Do you know if it's found elsewhere now via processing, like bread or something? Apologies if this appears very ignorant, but the fact is... I am!

Sorry to hear that Random, even when i was a vegetarian, i never felt it right to force it upon my children.

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Dont be fooled about b12, and theory that you must eat meat to obtain it. Even at people who dont eat any animal product there is no lack in b12.

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Jay, could you point me to 2-3 studies showing negative effects for phytates, lectins, or aflatoxins?

While I tried my best to find free articles some are not but I included them anyways in case you want to dig further. Aflatoxin is widely known as a catalyst in liver cirrhosis and almost all stuff on that is free and there are many more articles on PubMed that are free on this issue other than the ones I listed here. Finding free articles on phytates and their mineral absorption inhibiting effects on PubMed is harder but there is definitely more info out there. Whether it is convincing enough to you I cannot claim, but it is for me. Since all plants contain lectins but only some are harmful, it takes much more time to find studies on each specific lectin believed to cause disease but I did my best to find what I could for you.

Aflatoxin: All free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

Phytates:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3611550 Not Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3611550 Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3192878 Not free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed Free

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... archtype=a Not Free

Lectins:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9843103 Not Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... p00560.pdf Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11171906 Not Free

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Ar ... %20PDF.pdf free

http://www.bmj.com/content/318/7190/1023.extract Not Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9727614 Not Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8269884 Not Free

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Jay, could you point me to 2-3 studies showing negative effects for phytates, lectins, or aflatoxins?

While I tried my best to find free articles some are not but I included them anyways in case you want to dig further. Aflatoxin is widely known as a catalyst in liver cirrhosis and almost all stuff on that is free and there are many more articles on PubMed that are free on this issue other than the ones I listed here. Finding free articles on phytates and their mineral absorption inhibiting effects on PubMed is harder but there is definitely more info out there. Whether it is convincing enough to you I cannot claim, but it is for me. Since all plants contain lectins but only some are harmful, it takes much more time to find studies on each specific lectin believed to cause disease but I did my best to find what I could for you.

Aflatoxin: All free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

Phytates:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3611550 Not Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3611550 Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3192878 Not free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed Free

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... archtype=a Not Free

Lectins:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9843103 Not Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... p00560.pdf Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11171906 Not Free

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Ar ... %20PDF.pdf free

http://www.bmj.com/content/318/7190/1023.extract Not Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9727614 Not Free

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8269884 Not Free

Thanks Jay, I'll take a look at these.

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Kyle Courville

This is one of the best books I ever read. I love the layout of the book. Robb definitely has a sense of humor making it a great read.

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Agreed, after finally receiving it in the mail (wtheck amazon taking 12 days to ship something I preordered) I am even more excited to read it again than waiting to read it the first time. It is now on the required buy list for all clients and I am giving a free seminar at our gym to members that covers many of the topics and changes Robb details. I've read the original Paleo book many times, but I have to say Rob's is so clear that anyone will understand Paleo.

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If one already has a decent knowledge about nutrition is it overkill to order Robb wolf's book AND the paleo diet and paleo diet for athletes by loren cordain? The 2 latter ones are cheap so that's why I'm asking

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Yes, the Cordain's books are older so their probably not going to tell you anything you don't already know. Half of his books content is just recipes anyway.

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Oki doki, thanks for the reply :D Looks like I'm gonna have to wait for Amazon as Denmark is like the only country in the world book depository doesn't deliver to :(

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Looks like I'm gonna have to wait for Amazon as Denmark is like the only country in the world book depository doesn't deliver to :(

I know, that upset me too!

Check out http://www.saxo.com/dk/item/robb-wolf-the-paleolithic-solution-hardback.aspx, though - it's a danish website ;) It'll probably cost you slightly more, but the delivery time should be shorter. Oh, and the European cover looks cooler too, I think :D

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I'm halfway through the book and I can't be more delighted. You know the feeling you get when you've enlightened by something so basic yet its comprehension eluded you for the longest time? I got that a few times so far.

I've been listening to Robb's podcast diligently. I started about 1 month and a half ago, and I'm at episode 20-something and despite this "level of knowledge", the book was able to make things so much more comprehensible. If it helps, reading this book on nutrition is like reading the Egoscue method for postural health. (I hope that comparison helps).

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If by 'the original' you mean Dr. Loren Cordain's first book, Robb's book explains a lot more in terms of physiology and pathology. I am only halfway through the book so I can't say much about the rest but it's definitely a great read. Look at it this way: dr. Cordain has drawn a black and white picture showing us the fundamentals and Robb fills this drawing with colour and adds detail where it is needed. I think they complement each other but if you had to choose, I'd go for Robb's book because it is the most up-to-date.

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I like the information but it feels to me like Robb is trying to hard to be one of the guys, to make the subject somehow entertaining and funny.

I don't think he needs to 'dumb things' down by for example saying all the time this is geek talk. What is all this about NorCal Margaritas anyway? I'd think that would be off the list for sure. At least for me it actually breaks the flow of the book and makes things harder to understand not easier.

Otherwise its a great book, and certainly worth getting.

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Daniel Jorgensen
If by 'the original' you mean Dr. Loren Cordain's first book, Robb's book explains a lot more in terms of physiology and pathology. I am only halfway through the book so I can't say much about the rest but it's definitely a great read. Look at it this way: dr. Cordain has drawn a black and white picture showing us the fundamentals and Robb fills this drawing with colour and adds detail where it is needed. I think they complement each other but if you had to choose, I'd go for Robb's book because it is the most up-to-date.

Thank you! Will give it a try. I have Cordain's first book, however, I haven't been able to finish it - simply because all the arguments and postulates frustrates me :(

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I like the information but it feels to me like Robb is trying to hard to be one of the guys, to make the subject somehow entertaining and funny.

I don't think he needs to 'dumb things' down by for example saying all the time this is geek talk. What is all this about NorCal Margaritas anyway? I'd think that would be off the list for sure. At least for me it actually breaks the flow of the book and makes things harder to understand not easier.

Otherwise its a great book, and certainly worth getting.

Robb's writing for a specific audience and that's his coaching/trainer personality showing. And for the intended readership, this is quite technical. We don't always appreciate what basic knowledge we have and take for granted. And most of my clients don't and won't ever care about why sleep and growth hormone production are linked--they simply want me to tell them sleep X hours, with Y bed-time, with Z conditions. So for the intended audience, the division between science and practical is perfect. The American expectation tends to also be that readership wants to be entertained, whether there's learning involved or not. It is cheesy, but my clients eat that kind of humor up. It's a fine line between results and personality that make a successful personal trainer.

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