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Esa Lackström

Big guy, and gymnastic moves?

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Esa Lackström

I'm really interested in achieving gymnastic moves, i can already do elbow lever fine, and now i am currently training for back lever. But i'd also want size both for personal reasons (i'd like to be a bit more bigger than average guy) and for work reasons (security-profession).

 

So can you recommend me any "big guys" who are able gymnasts as well. Encho Keryavoz seems one.

Is this even a possible combination? I'm not looking for Bodybuilder-type of size, but still a more thickness in my arms, legs and back than the next guy.

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Joshua Slocum

Most adult gymnasts have pretty big arms and legs. If you want gymnasts who are particularly large, look at rings specialists, like Chen Yibing, Brandon Wynn, Yuri Van Gelder, etc. 

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Charlie Martin

Most adult gymnasts have pretty big arms and legs. If you want gymnasts who are particularly large, look at rings specialists, like Chen Yibing, Brandon Wynn, Yuri Van Gelder, etc.

 

Hell yeah. I'm imagining Van Gelder as a security guard... nobody messing with that guy aha

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Joshua Slocum

 

Most adult gymnasts have pretty big arms and legs. If you want gymnasts who are particularly large, look at rings specialists, like Chen Yibing, Brandon Wynn, Yuri Van Gelder, etc.

 

Hell yeah. I'm imagining Van Gelder as a security guard... nobody messing with that guy aha

 

Well, except that Van Gelder is 5'3"/160 cm, so he's not the most imposing looking guy. 

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Mouclier Victor

Joshua, it's probably why he look so jacked

 

Esa, take a look at ivan kajtaz (180/80kg) and littlebeastm ( 100 kg) they are calisthenics athlètes but they train basic gymnastic exercices (HSPU, front levers, press handstands..)

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Esa Lackström

Littlebeastm looks like my ideal body type yes. i'd rather look so imposing that people wuold consider twice before starting anything. I mainly work at bars on weekends, and big festivals in summer, so the threat of violence is greater than just a normal security guard.

 

Calisthenics are cool, i do them also. Just use free weights on Squats, Overhead presses and Deadlifts. Never really gotten into machines, Gymnastics are a new world to me, but it seems interesting.

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Alessandro Mainente

Littlebeast, adam row as other big guys torn their biceps tendon. as the weight is bigger as you need to be extremely careful on GST strength moves. tendon strength and flexibility do not have a linear development as the bodyweigth increases (the deviance from people to people is less than 5%) . for this reason bigger people who start GST usually need more to adapt to exercises with big impact on joints.

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Mouclier Victor

alessandro does it apply to people who get bigger by the time they start doing GST ?

 

i'm not  "big" but last year i went from 61 kg to 75 kg in something like 3 months ( i was already working out before but i quit smoking and then i started to eat like hell :D) and i didn't see any significant différence in straight arm work. Maybe its because i'm only 18-19 years old.

 

if i wanted to list all the Advanced gymnastics exercices than are brutal for joints (don't considering rings),

would this be correct ? : - planche (hands back especially)

                                       - Manna

                                       - back lever  

                                       - japanese HS

                                       - one arm pull ups and chin ups

 

                                       - Front lever ?

+ of course everything heavy weighted

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Matthew Jefferys

I'm really interested in achieving gymnastic moves, i can already do elbow lever fine, and now i am currently training for back lever. But i'd also want size both for personal reasons (i'd like to be a bit more bigger than average guy) and for work reasons (security-profession).

 

So can you recommend me any "big guys" who are able gymnasts as well. Encho Keryavoz seems one.

Is this even a possible combination? I'm not looking for Bodybuilder-type of size, but still a more thickness in my arms, legs and back than the next guy.

 

I don't know of any large professional gymnasts, but I did see a guy who calls himself "Big Boy" perform a side lever at over 350lbs... Being heavy/large means calisthenics will build very large muscles in comparison to smaller practitioners. Bodybuilding really won't be an issue. Just make sure you take longer to progress on exercises that require strong connective tissue (almost all straight arm work, for example).

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Matthew Jefferys

Calisthenics are cool, i do them also. Just use free weights on Squats, Overhead presses and Deadlifts. Never really gotten into machines, Gymnastics are a new world to me, but it seems interesting.

Don't forget bench press and rows!  :)

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Ronnicky Roy

Honestly the only people that really come to mind are Street workout people or new gymnasts. If you've ever heard of Lachlan Walker, he's a long limb guy. Pretty good mass and he does gymnastics.

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Esa Lackström

Don't forget bench press and rows!  :)

I havent done bench in a looong time. Just pushups/variations. I got 110kg one rep when i tested a while back. i have been thinking that maybe i should start doing it, and keep pushups only in the morning when i wake up. 

Rows then again, never really done those, just pullups and deadlift.

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Nicholas Sortino

Rows then again, never really done those, just pullups and deadlift.

Skipping horizontal pulling is a terrible idea for shoulder health.  The lats do not balance out pressing movement because they don't provide sufficient external rotation of the shoulders.  You need movements to work the middle/lower traps, rhomboid, rotator cuff and rear delts if you want to maintain a strong posture and healthy shoulders.  Row (there are all sorts) are excellent for many of these.  And I'll always suggest face pulls.  They are a serious shoulder saver. 

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alessandro does it apply to people who get bigger by the time they start doing GST ?

 

i'm not  "big" but last year i went from 61 kg to 75 kg in something like 3 months ( i was already working out before but i quit smoking and then i started to eat like hell :D) and i didn't see any significant différence in straight arm work. Maybe its because i'm only 18-19 years old.

 

if i wanted to list all the Advanced gymnastics exercices than are brutal for joints (don't considering rings),

would this be correct ? : - planche (hands back especially)

                                       - Manna

                                       - back lever  

                                       - japanese HS

                                       - one arm pull ups and chin ups

 

                                       - Front lever ?

+ of course everything heavy weighted

 

I haven't noticed a big difference. I'm not all that big and advance a bit slower than the 5'3" / 60kg guys, but at 5'10" 85kg (prior to GST 72-75 kg) I am still progressing consistently in performance in and out of GST. I rarely get anything like elbow tenderness unless I've knowingly overdone it.

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Esa Lackström

Skipping horizontal pulling is a terrible idea for shoulder health.  The lats do not balance out pressing movement because they don't provide sufficient external rotation of the shoulders.  You need movements to work the middle/lower traps, rhomboid, rotator cuff and rear delts if you want to maintain a strong posture and healthy shoulders.  Row (there are all sorts) are excellent for many of these.  And I'll always suggest face pulls.  They are a serious shoulder saver. 

Have to test out face pulls! Seems an useful exercise. i'll put my rubber band to a door handle and test them out when making dinner soon to get a feel of them.

Could they be used as an warm-up, or in mobility with medium weight, or should i do them as a "regular" exercise with decent amount of weight?

I am doing pull-ups and handstanding/HSPU in almost every training session as well.

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Nicholas Sortino

They are a great warm up/finisher with light weight and high reps.  I warm up with them (and a few other band movements) before before every workout to get the blood flowing in that area and prime those muscles for firing.  Especially helpful when doing any sort of overhead work.

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Matthew Jefferys

Have to test out face pulls! Seems an useful exercise. i'll put my rubber band to a door handle and test them out when making dinner soon to get a feel of them.

Could they be used as an warm-up, or in mobility with medium weight, or should i do them as a "regular" exercise with decent amount of weight?

I am doing pull-ups and handstanding/HSPU in almost every training session as well.

You can also do them with ropes/rings.

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Esa Lackström

They feel ok without any resistance, i just did 10 reps by just practicing the movement. really feels good on my shoulders/upper back.

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