Connor Davies Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Okay so if you can complete a planche in your routine and a planche is ALSO a good way to build strength, isn't that simply more efficient than someone who's using planche to build strength but then also needs to learn to throw things and that eats into recovery?Phrased badly, but what I'm saying is that gymnasts will build their conditioning by doing their sport. Other athletes don't get that luxury. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Widmann Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I never tried to argue that other athletes should be training planche. I wouldn't know. And I see where you're going with this, but I don't think it's quite right. I think most athletes condition by doing their sport, because doing their sport requires conditioning beyond the parameters of competition alone. I'm guessing soccer/football players probably train running drills to improve their stamina during games. Running also happens to be a good way to build cardiovascular health, so other people use those means to a different end. And how do olympic lifters train for their sport? So don't all athletes get that luxury? That's the point of being an athlete. And besides, planches don't help anyone do a bunch of crazy flips in the air, or full front splits. I was only ever remarking on the huge diversity of movements in the gymnastic toolkit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Davies Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'm not saying that other athletes should start doing planche. What I'm saying is that other athletes have more of a need for a strength and conditioning program than gymnasts do. Moreover, when a gymnast performs strength and conditioning training they are literally practicing the skills required for their sport. A linebacker doing deadlifts and push presses isn't going to learn how to be a good linebacker at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Widmann Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Really? Nowhere in a gymnastics competition do you see a gymnast climbing rope, yet it's an integral part of their conditioning. That's just one example. Actually, you hardly see any of the strength exercises in a competition, except in rings which is one of six apparatuses. Honestly, I don't follow the sport closely, but that's how it seems to me. Feel free to prove me wrong. I can make the same statement with a gymnast in place of a linebacker. "A gymnast doing planches and rope climbs isn't going to learn how to be a good gymnast at the same time." Same applies to any sport. I think you're confusing the conditioning with the skill training in the sport of gymnastics. I can finish Coach's every series and I'd be strong as hell, but I'd still be a lousy gymnast. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Davies Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 They actually did compete the rope climb until the mid 1930's I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnicky Roy Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Yea, they took it out. I guess because it's just conditioning for them and they decided to only do bigger strength elements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itaman8 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Haha, they should do a single arm rope climb competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Davies Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Haha, they should do a single arm rope climb competition.Very few people can single arm rope climb. I've only ever seen one man do it and he only got a couple meters out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Douglas Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 The times were also getting unbelievably low. I think Alex had Morandi's 6m rope climb time at a race speed at around 5s IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Sagar Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I wonder if those upside down rope climbs that were in some of the videos will make an appearance in the advanced movement courses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Upsidedown rope climbs were too easy and not productive in the long run. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Abernethy Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Am I allowed to laugh?! :-)(at my own pathetic-ness and perhaps Coach's sense of humour, as such an exercise sounds incredibly difficult yet is being brushed off, like muscle ups, as not even a thing) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Malta Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Based on my experience at the seminar, space is unfortunately going to be an issue for those training in small apartments or crowded houses. That is adding to what I was already worried. Living in a "rabbit cage" sized house here in Japan, I can´t even jump rope indoors (when it´s raining, snowing, typhoon season, etc.) because the ceiling is not high enough... it is also a problem to work out in the parks with so much weather instability. It is also difficult to find a park with some playground to improvise. In the city I live, they banned high bars from the parks to avoid accidents with the children (who are very much encouraged to practice hip circles/pullovers in low bars since elementary school), so it´s difficult to find even a place to hang my rings. If I hanged them indoors, probably the whole ceiling would come down, hehe. As for my Movement guess, I think that probably elements that are common in a gymnastics class warm up may be added, like some simple jumps, basic rolls, ag walk, sitting walk, crawls, worms, etc. (l-sit walk might be in Movement 2 or 3 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Robertson Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Upsidedown rope climbs were too easy and not productive in the long run. Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerAre Upside down climbs easier than a Straddle L climb, and how are they not as productive as normal climbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamali Downey Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Although I'm looking forward to Movement I can't imagine where it would go in my schedule.I'm already training 4 evenings a week on top of my daily morning routine now that Stretch has been released.So you're training Stretch series every day? or 4 times a week??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Truelove Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 So you're training Stretch series every day? or 4 times a week???I do:Mon: F1a | BoulderingTue: REST DAYWed: F1b | S:MSThu: H1Fri: F1aSat: F1b | S:FSSun: H1+S:TBThe "|" indicates a AM-PM split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Miskelly Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Coach your comment reminded me of watching this from years ago: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Schwab Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Coach your comment reminded me of watching this from years ago: I mean, chameleons just looks really fun. After foundation that could be cool to add just for that factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Abernethy Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Is that what's meant by upside down rope climbs? I thought they'd be with straight arms above the head (pointing towards the floor), straight legs either side of the rope, then arms bending one at a time to push the body up the rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Sagar Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Is that what's meant by upside down rope climbs? I thought they'd be with straight arms above the head (pointing towards the floor), straight legs either side of the rope, then arms bending one at a time to push the body up the rope.I was talking about the chameleons but couldn't remember the name... Also this thread is on its way to turning into the last movement thread where each new post makes me think that movement might have been released! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Douglas Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Is that what's meant by upside down rope climbs? I thought they'd be with straight arms above the head (pointing towards the floor), straight legs either side of the rope, then arms bending one at a time to push the body up the rope. This was discussed a while ago actually. IIRC Coach said they were just too awkward and didn't allow the TUT of, say, triple rope climb laps in straddle L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Davies Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Is that what's meant by upside down rope climbs? I thought they'd be with straight arms above the head (pointing towards the floor), straight legs either side of the rope, then arms bending one at a time to push the body up the rope.That... Can't be possible.Although personally I always imagined an inverted rope climb to have the hands oriented the normal way at least, so you would essentially be hammer curling your way up the rope. Never seen it done, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 ... I thought they'd be with arms above the head (pointing towards the floor), legs either side of the rope, then arms bending one at a time to push the body up the rope ... Tried those years ago without success. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Douglas Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Tried those years ago without success. Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerMan, I'd love to see your 'didn't work' ideas pile. Bet there's some crazy stuff in there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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