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Ádám Ficsór
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Ádám Ficsór

Update: I'm sorry for those who've already read my post, but I just had to reedit, because I've misunderstood two very important things and with that (addition to my english) nobody would've guess what i wanted to discuss about.

The question is there.
 

My thoughts:
We want to train firstly our ATP-CP system, secoundly our anaerobic system.
The ATP-CP provides energy roughly 10sec and the anaerobic 1min.
That's the whole point of rep ranges.
We work with 5rep because it takes about 10sec and with slow 15rep because it takes about 1min.
If we don't rest enough to recover these systems then we're not going to be able to perform "perfectly" the exercise because the desired system had run out of energy and we don't train that anymore.
They have some specific time to recover. (if I remember well for ATP-CP the full recovery time is maybe 3min)
So these recovery times are giving us some minimum rest time?
And the maximum should be set considering the fact if we take too much rest our body cool down and that hurts the performance?

Are there any other aspects to consider for set the rest time?

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Jon Douglas

If it can be held for a minute, my working assumption is that its not actually too difficult, so through purpose of that hold is not to gain strength (past a relatively low basic threshold) but to build endurance in a basic position (say hollow) which you then maintain through more difficult low rep str building exercises, say front pulls. Its kind of more of a tool than an exercise per se, in my POV

Edit;

By not difficult, i mean relative to the grand scheme of things :)

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Karri Kytömaa

This is the foundation. Everything we are learning is just basics which are supposed to be extremely easy, even close to effortless.

 

You have that one minute ring routine and if everything in foundation isn't a piece of cake for you, there's no chance you are linking together minute of much harder stuff.

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Ádám Ficsór

Thak you for your answers, but I rewrote the post (for about 1 hour long) while you've answered. My reason is explained there.

My mistake.

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There is no way 5 reps only takes 10 seconds unless you are doing them fairly quickly at 1-0-1. Try more like 20-30s that is using a relatively short tempo such as 2-1-3 or 2-0-3 or 2-1-2 or even 2-0-2. Generally around 30, then 45 seconds the glycolytic drops in power production. At 5 reps, you generally just start brushing with that threshold or avoiding it (though you might start hitting it on the last 1-2 reps, especially if you are tiring out).

 

GB programming has never recommended 100% holds for the statics/isometrics (FSP). That's why in the old SSC you could use rest periods of 45s Never shorter than 30s and unlikely longer than 90s since under SSC, holds were at 50% of 1rm.

 

You may need longer rests with bent-arm exercises because it's basically more work and more energy being used. 

 

A lot of this is all a matter of what rep range you are using and at what % of 1rm.

 

90-95% of ATP is regenerated by 5 minutes, not 3 minutes.

 

This has been hashed on the forums a zillion times, search function. 

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Ádám Ficsór

Yeah thanks, the picture is clearing up, but still having a hard time to making up with a formula.

I've just missed how much the percentage of 1RM  and the exercise type counts.

Just imagine it: how nice would it be if you've just give some input for example the exercise type, your 1RM max, the main body parts, your tempo, your repetition number, your goal and whatever and it gives you how much you should rest, and the algorithm executed then start a tabata and work, I'm sure sb already did a very good job with it, but I'm not aware of this kind of studies, (otherwise I wouldn't be posting here).

A little notes:

I've mentioned the anaerobic system, it's also known as glycolitic system, you've mentioned.

Don't get stucked with some numbers, where you read, the others they are. They're just generalized and may vary for different body parts, individuals and between man and women.
Search function: I was trying to find something about it for an hour long, but haven't succeeded. (Maybe that's because I have no right for Foundation series forum.)

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 Well, those threads were in the general forum not F1 ( as I do not have access to F1 ). 

 

 You can use your heart rate as a diagnostic.

 

 I wish the glycolytic was at full power up to 60s. Too bad, it definitely doesn't feel that way during a 400 even if you are pacing yourself (nobody runs a 400 as a full sprint from the get-go).

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