"Advanced" tumbling questions

[Oldrich Polreich]

Hello

Some time ago (after recovering from injured knee) i decided to start my parkour/freerunning training from the beginning using gymnastic progresions. I read through most of the "skill development" section and progressed quite quickly (Mainly thanks to Blairbob and his tips here and there). Now i got most of the basic rolls, cartwheels etc. But i'm kinda stuck on some points:

- Fulltwist dive roll: I really like this skill but it seems to be impossible for me to do it correctly. I've been studying soviet gymnasts (

Bilozertchev for example) doing it thousand times but i still don't get it. I feel that my problem is rotation (i can easily do really high dive roll with good body shape), wich is failing me in roundoff-dive roll also. I'm trying to initiate rotation on ground instead of in the air, killing my height. Are there any drills for this?

-"Russian lift" front flip. I don't know if that is a correct name for it. It is a frontflip with hands going up and behind you, i saw it a lot in older (-80s) floor routines but again, i have a lot of problems learning it. I understand that hands must generate height but i have a problem with coordinating motion so usually i end up pushing up with my shoulders instead of arms (wich is OK and i can rotate it well, but it is not exactly what i want). Again, it there any progression i missed or drill i can use or is it just matter of training? There is a lot of clips of it on youtube but most of the people seems to be having same problem as me (they are swinging the arms but not using them to generate lift) and i don't quite get the "Gogoladze feeling" from watching it. (I first saw this flip performed by Vladimir Gogoladze 1988 in Seoul. He seemed so relaxed but generated massive amount of height)

Thats quite it, I will be glad for any tips.

Thank you

[Sune]

For the full twisting dive roll try stacking some soft mats and initiate a jump with a full twist landing flat on your stomach. The rotation needed for completing the full dive roll is only a little more than is needed to land on your stomach on a 1m high mat. Not over rotating is the tricky part of the full twisting dive roll, as I imagine you've already experienced.

[Travis Goode]

a little late yes, but for the russian front first master a webster (1 footed front walk out) once you have that your aerial Side to side and gymnastics should be "floaty" then to get the move play on tramp til you learn how to set with your back weird concept to master but then combine the webster take off with the chest lift of your aerial then add in the back set and you got the move

to get height (use the take off you did in your webster then throw your arms up behind you and lift your chest same time will give you a "floating" look")

to get your rotation to land cleanly (once floating start to pull for a gymnastics front roll to rotate the more you tuck the less aesthetically pleasing the move becomes)

kinda a full step by step way to get it but in a nutshell it's a stalled front combined with a webster. Team Chinese Box's member Andrea Catozzi became famous mastering that move some of the best example videos of the pull and rotation can be seen from him

hope it helped if you don't already have the move!