Disscussion about milk and kefir

[Falcon]

As the new school year started, I have no money for supplements and I'm out of whey protein, not mentioning the fact I can't buy it now because I need money for grips, among other things.

I've started to grow (Yes, GROW, it's not fat) brutally fast ever since I started to drink ridiculous amounts of milk (3 liters on training days). I'm drinking low fat milk, or skimmed milk. Seems like I am lactose tolerant since there are almost NO farts, or... well... extended amounts of time spent at the toilet.

Now, diary isn't very much paleo, but it's gluten free so that's cool with me.

Estrogen? I've read that it doesn't give you that much of it, since your body is producing some too. Taking in account that I have a clean diet, I'm supplemented with multivitamin, zinc and magnesium, and I'm 17 years old (The T is too damn high!), I have no worries about the estrogen, as for the time being. Having too much estrogens would show in the pectoral area as fat (man boobs) if I'm not mistaken. Not only I don't have so much fat there, I didn't gain fat anywhere. And I think it would show in 14 days already.

Now Kefir? I don't really know but it should work like probiotic, helping your gut with absorbing the milk (lactose)? I'm not very well educated in this area.

I would like to use this thread for disscussion about milk and it's pros/cons in strenght training. So, anybody else has some insights?

[Donar]

Here is a thread on Milk you might like.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2629&

I would not recommend drinking 3 liters long term. For a while it might be okay though if you experience no issues. Do not go for low-fat milk though. Go for full-fat non homogenized milk if possible, otherwise simply full-fat milk.

What about kefir do you want to know? Yes, it can help your digestion. If you like it, go for it. I have, however, read that the process of fermentation gets rid of some of the IGF-1 in milk, thus I would not replace the milk with kefir altogether.

If you want more information on kefir, try google.

By the way, if you want some variety in the way your milk tastes, try some vanilla or cinnamon. Or add some fluid heavy whipping cream to milk. And try some other dairy products, like yogurt, quark, cottage cheese, et cetera.

[Larry Roseman]

Milk is great stuff compared to the great majority of drinks out there. It is more expensive per gram of protein than whey powder, at least average priced whey. So I'm not sure why you can afford one but not the other.

But in any event, you're getting a combination of casien and whey protein that is effective for growth and muscle

preservation. Lots of farm boys got big and strong on milk. And steer too :-)