StevenL Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 I have no gymnastics equipment or coach, do you think that I could learn circles on the floor? What would I have to learn as a prerequisite to these? Any basic strength moves I would need(planche?)?thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbryk Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Circles on the floor are tough, there is now prerequisite strength skill, it's a skill you must practice to develop the strength over time, it's a lot of how you do it more than how can I muscle it. This is one thing I dislike about people practicing gymnastics they think everything is a strength skill, well no, circles are one of those things you need to bust you butt doing especially if you are going to do them yourself. You have to work from the basics up, I would wait for Coach S. and see what he has to say, because I can't really lead you into the correct direction other than saying find a gym and ask; circles are tough even more so without a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 StevenL. If you do not have access to a gym with mushrooms or circle trainers or the resources to pay for coaching, you can still build some of the necessary equipment. Gymnastics mushrooms are typically expensive for what you can get out of them. Recently I started looking city by city on CraigsList and ended up finding a mushroom for less than half the cost shipped for a new one. Eventually, I want to get an EGE pommel trainer but those can get quite expensive and I can probably use a mushroom for other friends. You can build yourself a mushroom and bucket device as those are the basic tools for learning circles. Building a bucket is ridiculously easy. You can make it fancy, but basically you are hanging a bucket by rope or chain with a swivel so it will turn easy. Put your feet in a bucket covered by long socks and you're ready to go. http://www.westsideacademy.com/boysteam/mushroom.php http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=12826&page=1 how to build a bucket for gymnastics circle http://www.crossfit.com/journal/2007/10 ... urnal.html I've never read that article but I kind of went overboard last time I made one using a painter's bucket. I bolted an O ring to it and attached bolts to it and a swivel on the ring which I hung with rope off a high bar since I didn't feel like climbing to the ceiling. I was going to line the bucket but ended up just duct taping over the bolts. My friend was going to make a circle article that's been long delayed. I'm hoping with the incoming mushroom, I will make one based a lot on the methods I use which borrow a lot from Vince Miller from WCOGA. I was going to make one last fall, but I never had enough spare time to do so or could get one of my boys in at the right time. I'm looking into a cheap digital video camera as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin11cs Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 well i practise circles too, but in breakin they are also called virgin flares i never used a mushroom for learning them ...ok i can only do 6 rounds but gymnastic moves are hard to combine with breakdance moves!the only advise i can give you, is that you wear woolsocks or you put knee protectors on you feets and let them slide,but i prefered the socks;) it is better if you use these woolsocks with grip (know what i mean?)circles on the floor are harder than doing them on a mushroom because you have to pull harder, so that your legs keep floating!but it is not impossible to learn them;)I learned flares on the floor first and many gymnasts were confused when i told them i can do flares but no circles, because the are learning vice versa. But i used my flares to gain momentum and put the legs together to get 2 rounds circles, or you start typical like gymnasts start them!technique is everything and if you are totaly new on flares in general i would recomend you to practise bucket circlesgood luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 circles on the floor are harder than doing them on a mushroom because you have to pull harder, so that your legs keep floating!but it is not impossible to learn them;)I learned flares on the floor first and many gymnasts were confused when i told them i can do flares but no circles, because the are learning vice versa. But i used my flares to gain momentum and put the legs together to get 2 rounds circles, or you start typical like gymnasts start them!technique is everything and if you are totaly new on flares in general i would recomend you to practise bucket circlesgood luck!bboys circles are not good for gymnasts and 99% with totaly off technique. Why is gymnast learning normal circles before? because it's esential for all progressions, from properly taught circles you can learn proper flares and not vice versa.I'm not judging bboys, but bboys flares are far from gymnastic flares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin11cs Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 what are you talking about?!bboys have the same circles like gymnast except there are some variations, but the circle itself is the same!flares are off technique in bboyin because we do them higher!read correctly ! i said the gymnast way of learning it is vice versa than the bboy way, ok?bboys start with tomas flares and gymnsasts with circles i wanted just to show that the move which gymnasts learn first is harder for me because i learned flares first!and i have no problem if you would judge bboys, i still like gymnastics and its a great inspiration for me!i think this is also vice versa! think about morgan hamm who is doin now airflares;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 "what are you talking about?!bboys have the same circles like gymnast except there are some variations, but the circle itself is the same!flares are off technique in bboyin because we do them higher!"There is no variations in circles, there are just a circles. and flares are not higher!!!!"read correctly ! i said the gymnast way of learning it is vice versa than the bboy way, ok?"I understood that and said it's not good way to do it."i wanted just to show that the move which gymnasts learn first is harder for me because i learned flares first!"Correct, because you must learn vice versa. If you would learned flares with proper technique, normal circles would be easier."i think this is also vice versa! think about morgan hamm who is doin now airflares;)"Because he is taught with proper technique both circles first and after flares.Next time don't be so personal and response with normal tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanyard Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 LOL As I said before, Im a bboy and Ill say it one more time: There is no point to compare gymnastic moves to bboy moves, we want different things, it is normal that they are different, and by the way, yep, bboy circles are not as good as gymnastic ones, I have to agree with Gregor. About the flares, they are different and thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I just want to say, that it's better to start with normal circles with proper technique, then progression on the flares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin11cs Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 hehe ok ok but i have to say that it wasnt personal for me;) and i feel sorry if my tone was not ok for you it makes no sense to argue about this;)lol actually the topic was if somebody can learn circles on floor and i said yes..the rest i was talkin about was just my experience, but there are still some points i could discuss with you xDe.g. there are variations for circles in breaking .. like bending one leg over on straight and still do the circle movement!there are also variations of piked flares etc. yes i know ..its not the MAIN MOVE flare but they ARE variations in my opinion;)an the other point is..i dont get your answere about morgan hamm.. i said that bboys learn from gymnast and also gymnast learn from bboys... because of the airflare (which is actually no gymnastic move) and i also didn't get why he has to learn circles for doing it :wink: i can do airflares and i can promise to you there is no need of doing flares or circles for learning them because its al totally different movement!please dont think that i want to argue! it is just a interesting discussion;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I thought they are something else (about airflares) :oops: .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 "lol actually the topic was if somebody can learn circles on floor and i said yes..the rest i was talkin about was just my experience, but there are still some points i could discuss with you xD"Yes of course you can learn it on the flor, but is not the best way. The best way is going trougj progressions from easiest to hardest things.e.g. there are variations for circles in breaking .. like bending one leg over on straight and still do the circle movement!there are also variations of piked flares etc. yes i know ..its not the MAIN MOVE flare but they ARE variations in my opinion;)"ok mybe in bb. But if you can do it with right technique, you can do all bboys variations in first try!!!!!"please dont think that i want to argue! it is just a interesting discussion;)"hehe ok, I like discuss about circles and pommels, beside rings, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindx Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Something that always bothered me...In gymnastics they're "thomas flairs" ... something with flair being something "extraordinary" (which is obviously "extraordinary" circles). A "flare" is used to signal rescue crews and stuff.I have no idea why Bboys ripped off and called them "flares"... but ok.Also, if you're looking to learn higher level techniques after circles/flairs then it might be a good idea to learn them the "gymnastics" progression. Otherwise, have at it the bboy way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin11cs Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 hehe thats right with the movename! but it often happens that one move has a lot of names... windmills are often called helicopters etc. (dont know the name in gymnastics)can you tell me what a circle / flare progression can look like? i mean if you skilled enough the ground move and want to do ..lets say..more;) its hard for me to believe that you can do variations with the same technique, because i experienced that a lot of movements are similiar but in the other way totally different.. lets say you cross one leg over one straight and do circles!it is possible to do them one the first try correctly if i am well trainied in circles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 progression from flair/helicopters and after flairs, last part before split http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2xaUjoK ... re=relatedThis thnigs are tremendious hard!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin11cs Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 great skill ! yeah flare to handstand is quite difficult.. i cant do it yet!the russians (i hope thats the correct name for the move) are very hard and my total fav. move!i can do 4 rounds till i get stuck with my legs , but for sure not in this perfection!an extra thread about this move would be great !there is also a great variation in gymnastics and breakin called "hopping flares"? i think they could be possible to for me but its hard to keep the legs up after a quick turn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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