Types of VERY basic tumbling?

[Neal Winkler]

What are the most basic types of tumbling and their variations?

All I can think of is forward rolls (tuck, straddle, pike, from handstand), backward rolls (can you also do these with straddle and pike or just tuck?), carwheel (roundoff).

Nothing done in the air. Is there anything else that is at this very basic level?

[Razz]

forward roll to stand with bent legs then with straight legs

back roll to HS with bent or straight arms..can be to support aswell

walkovers

dive roll.. dive roll with an arch first

forward roll with quarter turn--> side roll quarter turn and keep going until you face same way as the starting point(fun exercise)

[Sternford]

forward roll with quarter turn--> side roll quarter turn and keep going until you face same way as the starting point(fun exercise)

Is there a video of this? Having a hard time picturing it

[Razz]

ok it's like this:

1:forward roll with quarter turn (you must end up facing either left or right)

2:Then roll sideways but in the same direction as the first roll but with another quarter turn (you should now be facing backwards)

3:now back roll with quarter turn so you face the opposite direction as after #1

4:side roll with quarter turn again and you should now be facing forward

each time you should be travelling in the same direction while turning in the same direction but the start position will be different each time.

[yuri marmerstein]

handstand rolldowns, probably before dive roll

start with bent arm, progress to straight arm, straddle, pike, etc.

handstand walking

handstand snapdowns

handstand pops

basic bridging progressing to limbers, walkovers, etc.

millions of cartwheel variations

[Neal Winkler]

What are some cartwheel variations?

[Sternford]

Opposite side, one arm, slow, from the knee

[yuri marmerstein]

pop cartwheels

dive cartwheels

aerial cartwheels

cartwheel switch

tucked cartwheel(capoeira angola style)

skipping on your hands cartwheel

roundoff

cartwheel stop in a handstand

use your imagination

[Tarun Suri]

If there was a tumbling equivalent to the Lsit, what would it be?

[Joshua Naterman]

That's a good question. For flips, probably front and back rolls with the proper hollow body. That seems to set up the proper motion for basic flips, so in the sense that they are very fundamental I guess that would be it, but for pretty much all tumbling the cartwheel is the base. Coach says that everything happens from the cartwheel. It's where you start to build up momentum for the big flips and whatnot. If you can't do a cartwheel, you can't tumble. You may be able to flip, but you won't be able to do true tumbling runs.

I really hope someone with actual tumbling skills will correct me on whatever I screw up in this statement.

[Sternford]

If there was a tumbling equivalent to the Lsit, what would it be?

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[Joshua Naterman]

I think he means that in the sense that the L-sit is the central FSP. It is where you start, and is the base for pretty much everything.

[yuri marmerstein]

this question is too open ended and there is no clear cut answer like the L-sit

rolls, cartwheels, handstands, bridges are all the bases of tumbling. For the most part, practicing only one of them will not get you better at the others

Being able to jump properly is pretty important too.

I think being able to kick up into a good handstand is extremely important, but it will not teach one how to roll, etc.

[Joshua Naterman]

Good points!

[Sternford]

Ah, I thought he meant some kind of thing where you are in an L-sit and then you...flip? I dunno.

And this isn't exactly tumbling but handstand snap-downs?

[yuri marmerstein]

handstand snapdowns are invaluable to improve your back tumbling. no such thing as too many of these

[Blairbob]

Yep, handstand snapdowns are pretty good. I find them pretty useless for the beginner without command of a handstand and the ability to do a quick V-up or Hanging LegLift though. They are done like handstand pops too much in the development of young gymnasts who still don't have a decent HS or the ability to snap from an arch to hollow ( I like arch>hollow swings on a bar as another tool for those).

The basic tool for tumbling like L-sit? Duh, the HS. Basic tool for tumbling is probably the roll since it's learned day 1. Another good one, the bridge kickover aka walkover. This starts with elevated bridges, bridge wall walks down and/or up, limbers and kickovers.

Lately, I've been checking out a lot of the boys in the program to start a young 4-6yo developmental team program. I look generally at their ability to side cartwheel and wall HS. Some of the boys who have excellent side to side cartwheel (which should be mastered before the cartwheel from a forward lunge), do not possess good ability to kick to a HS and hold but some of those can do what Coach S would call a wrist Wall HS. Ideally I won't teach these group of boys to lunge cartwheel possibility till they kick to HS well and do front walkovers over a barrel. FWO before RO would be nice but I doubt that will be possible within a year of time.

Even if you have a good CW, sideways or from a lunge, if your HS is poor, your RO will be poor and your front handspring will be a pile of junk. I know of some coaches who prefer gymnasts to master a front handspring step out before round-off as it teaches a strong kick of the legs to vertical so the legs do not kick around the side which is common in many cartwheels when the kick to HS is poor.

Another very basic skill for rolling is the candlestick deck squat. Squat, roll to candlestick, tuck up to stand. 2 things. The ability to do the candlestick and keep legs together and maintain a tuck shape at the end to stand up. This also requires a very limited amount of abdominal strength to keep the legs tucked. By going into a basket at the end, they can do a backward roll and they need to know how to "hollow" the chest to roll well either direction.