hgh pituitary support?

[Cole Dano]

This might not be the best group to ak form since most of you are so young and virile. Yet many of you are also pretty knowledgeable so i figure i'll throw this out there.

I have always been pretty slim, until i hit 40 my weight has been a pretty constant 130lbs. Being into yoga this was a help in a lot of poses as there is less body to work around. Now that i'm in my mid 40's ive added some weight and noticed for the first time in my life i can actually start adding muscle which is new and nice.

I've been looking at trying some of these:

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01301/GH-Pituitary-Support-Day-Formula.html

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01302/GH-Pituitary-Support-Night-Formula.html

To help build muscle mass and prevent that unwanted mid body fat, which i've never had until the last few years.

The question is does anyone know if this stuff helps or not?

One product i have added along these lines which i can say has helped quite a bit are digestive enzymes. I sense of mid section lightness came back after using them for about a week.

[Jeffrey]

There are far better things to spend you money on imho.

The key to gaining muscle lays in your diet along with proper training, not in supplements. You dont need this kind of fancy supplements who make fals claims and dont have much or even no research to back it up. If you really want a supplement to help you out try some whey protein or creatine. Both are safe to use and proven to work.

[Gregor]

expensive and not worth of a such big bill. If you want this products, look for other manufactors wich are much cheaper. 50 dollars for ornitine&arginine supplement :shock:

[Blairbob]

Gregor is correct, my anthropology professor said that us young lads that wanted to boost our gH naturally simply needed L-arninine+L-ornithine. His main profession was as a naturopathic doctor.

[Neal Winkler]

What support for these supplements can you find on pubmed? Ask that question, and the answer you will have.

[Cole Dano]

What support for these supplements can you find on pubmed? Ask that question, and the answer you will have.

This is interesting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2770269

[Neal Winkler]

Now you need to get access to the entire article and scrutinize its methodology, funding sources, and population applicability. Not to mention find more studies to make sure the results have been repeated.

[Cole Dano]

triangle next you'll tell me to get a PhD and a white lab coat!

Gregor thanks i'll just try with something more reasonably priced and do the experiment.

[Joshua Naterman]

Working primarily with calisthenics(especially), you're going to have a hard time putting on excess body fat, especially if you're eating clean, with lots of vegetables, good fats, protein, and a reasonable amount of fruit. You aren't really going to NEED this supplement. The changes in hormone levels caused by nonhormonal supplements are so small that they either have no noticeable effect on body mass at all, or they are not cost effective. Sucks, but that's how it is.

[Blairbob]

An interesting note is my friend who is around 37 or so just got some results on his T-levels. Apparently, through the roof top 2% and he basically does CF and Zone (with Milk). Other than fish oil, I don't think he supplements with anything interesting.

[Jason Stein]

If your diet, sleep, and exercise are cruddy (but still 80% diet), supplements are just frosting on a turd.

For body comp issues, which is what we're really talking about here, take the money you'd spend on supplements and spend it on a quarter of grass-fed cow. Put it in your freezer.

Eat it.

I would supplement the yoga and the cow with, to paraphrase Mark Sisson, twice weekly doses of sprints/rowing/wheezing lung death, the repetitive lifting of heavy things (leverage-disadvantaged bodyweight), and sleep (as much as you can without getting divorced/fired, as Robb Wolf says).

Did I mention the eating of the cow?

best of luck,

jason

[Cole Dano]

wow! yoga + eating a cow, now that's a very sensitive reply!

[Jason Stein]

Though one grew from the soil of the other, we must be careful not to conflate the practice of yoga with Brahminical Hinduism.

Tell your yoga friends you are practicing the mansa portion of panchamakara.

If cow is too ideologically upsetting, sub with grass-fed sheep, goat, lamb, chicken, pig, or buffalo.

Game meat (elk, yak, moose, deer) and fish can be either pretty costly to buy in bulk, or difficult to buy and store in bulk.

best,

jason

[Joshua Naterman]

I have to say, Jason's pretty much said it all. I still haven't eaten grass fed beef, but it's cheaper than what you buy in the stores when you get a quarter or half cow!!! I mean seriously, how awesome is that?! You can even get it pre-cut into steaks!!!

[Jason Stein]

Slizzard,

You sound like you are an Industrial Athlete.

http://www.sealfit.com/page/index.php?menu=homepage&page=about

It is time for you to discover the joys of being an Industrial Eater and an Industrial Sleeper.

Step one: grill.

Step two (optional): meat freezer in the garage.

Step three: blackout curtains in the room.

Step four: Why stand when you can sit, why sit when you can lie, and if you're lying down, might as well catch a nap.

The grass-fed cow can feel like a big hit up front (i.e. US$450 for 80# of meat cut anyhow), but it sorts to about ~US$6 per pound of grass-fed whatever: ground, steak, organ, roast, brisket.

Price is lower during summer cuz winter cows carry more fat than muscle; the fat has to be cut away.

But think about all the dough you'll save cuz you can scale back the fish oil. You'll be eating nothing but omega 3s.

best,

jason

[Cole Dano]

Jason you are obviously a smart guy and after reading a couple of your replies to me i'm wondering what's going on?

I see at one time were involved very seriously with the raw food world and since left it. You seem to know some things about yoga in large as well, so i'm sure you know when you say eat COW in the way you previously did its borderline aggressive. Even if i weren't a vegetarian, i would read it that way because i know you know the culture. There are Indians who read and contribute to this forum, don't you think that presenting your ideas in that way could be construed as a slur?

Honestly i couldn't care less what folks eat and have also been giving eating meat a re-think. But militant sarcastic posts aren't going to sway me, any more than those kind of comments made by the raw food folks do or the paleos etc.

I pretty much think for myself, i'm not worried about what my friends think, i don't think i'll take up tantra to justify my decision to eat meat if it happens.

Fact is i'm a pretty open minded guy who's looking here to learn things, and in the case when i know something contribute it back. I'm open to whatever comments, but i can't say i enjoy the belittling sub-text which i have to assume is due to my background. I'm not trying to sell yoga, any eating habits, CC or anything for that matter to you or anyone here. Please do me the courtesy of not giving me the hard sell back.

I'm sure with your background on both sides of the raw food world you know how 'fruitless' this is.

[Joshua Naterman]

Well worded!

I think that at times it is hard to see wide-spread beliefs that conflict directly with your own without getting frustrated and venting, sometimes in a less than ideal place. It could be no more than that.

[Jason Stein]

Mr. Brady,

For the record, I have never "been raw." I have however orbited that community.

My suggestion to you to save your money on supplements and spend it on cow (meat), while perhaps outrageous, was neither aggressive or a personal attack on your food views (which remain unstated), nor was it a value judgment or belittlement of Hindus, Jains, vegetarians, vegans, et al.

If you wish to discuss the vagaries of different schools of yoga, or the transposition of Brahminical Hindu culture to the yoga schools of the West, its merits and shortcomings, of which vegetarianism is one, I'm game. The details might get a bit boring, though.

best,

jason