bobthepi Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 How would one develop this skill? Does anyone have videos? I saw a dvd a while back but can no longer find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Slocum Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 As a prerequisite, you must first be able to swing in front with good extension to the point where your feet are well over the bars. Set up some blocks next to the parallel bars with a soft mat on top. Get into support on the parallel bars so that the hand on which you wish to pirouette is on the side of the bars opposite the blocks. You'll go through a number of progressions: 1. Starting either from a handstand or a swing of moderate amplitude (feet at shoulder-height), swing forward. As your feet come over the bars, lean your weight onto the support hand while letting go of the bar with the other hand. Your free hand should reach towards the bar that your support hand is on while your feet rise and move away from your hands. Ideally, you will land in a support position with your feet on the mat and both your hands on the same bar. 2. When you're comfortable reaching the support position, it's time to start trying to get your feet higher and higher into the air. Ideally when your free hand grabs the bar, you will be almost in a handstand, and your feet will then slowly fall down toward the mat. 3. Now, start trying to momentarily pause in a single-bar handstand. Depending on your comfort level, you may want to put blocks and a soft mat on the other side of the bars now, too. 4. Once you're able to briefly pause in a single-rail handstand, now you're ready to go for the full diamidov. Instead of grabbing the far bar with your free hand, now try to maintain strong support on the support hand and perform another 1/4 pirouette so your free hand can grab the other bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthepi Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 Does one need a handstand to start training this skill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Slocum Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 You need a handstand for steps 3 and 4, so if you don't have one already you better get cracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 would you mind posting a video of the progressions? CAn't visualize them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Does one need a handstand to start training this skill?Only if you want to live. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Chan Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Only if you want to live.Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerCoach, that´s the best answer I´ve ever heard in my entire life. It made me laugh so hard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthepi Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 Only if you want to live.Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerCurious: what about the earlier progressions that don't use handstand? Or should one have handstand before even thinking about basic progressions for this skill? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 ... Or should one have handstand before even thinking about basic progressions for this skill? ...Correct.If you don't have a rock solid handstand, swing handstand, swing hop handstand and swing pirouette, this skill is completely out of your reach.Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Mainente Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Does one need a handstand to start training this skill?basically you need handstand to begin gymnastics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Slocum Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 would you mind posting a video of the progressions? CAn't visualize them.Unfortunately I don't have one :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I know handstand one is for handstand, but without a coach, how could one learn the other skills Coach listed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Burnham Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 There are several videos of these progressions on YouTube. First get the handstand nailed down. It should be nothing for you to go into it an hold it at that point we can talk about the other skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Okay. Hoping to buy H1&2 and F1-4 for son VERY soon. Until then he's going to use some of his programming to achieve planche leans, hollow rocks, archups, pushups, rows, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I asked about some of the progressions for my son, not for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Dano Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 If your son wants to learn gymnastic skills, it's time to find a good gymnastics club and sign him up. That is if there are any in Timbuktu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farid Mirkhani Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I think I've seen videos of your son here. How old is he? 12-14? Man.. that's the perfect age to start foundation and handstand series. (The older you get, the more in a hurry you are, unfortunately) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) He's 11. Going to talk about buying (e.g. what to buy, what order for best money save, etc. etc.) by end of the weekend. btw, we live in socal, not timbuctu, we entered that just for fun . he used to go to gym, but everything was disorganized, e.g. they made him do unstructured conditioning, etc., didn't focus on the events he was passionate about, plus schedule clashed (so did other gyms). He decided to train independently until he acquires a solid strength base, and he'll return to gym. Also, good to note, no one at his gym has the skills from Foundation. More in later post, gotta hurry. )(btw, nothing wrong with the old gym, it's awesome, just not good fit for him at the time, will be later.) Edited April 10, 2015 by GenericGymnast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Egebak Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 He's 11. Going to talk about buying (e.g. what to buy, what order for best money save, etc. etc.) by end of the weekend. btw, we live in socal, not timbuctu, we entered that just for fun . he used to go to gym, but everything was disorganized, e.g. they made him do unstructured conditioning, etc., didn't focus on the events he was passionate about, plus schedule clashed (so did other gyms). He decided to train independently until he acquires a solid strength base, and he'll return to gym. Also, good to note, no one at his gym has the skills from Foundation. More in later post, gotta hurry. )(btw, nothing wrong with the old gym, it's awesome, just not good fit for him at the time, will be later.)Perhaps you can arrange a deal where you are in charge of the strength-specific conditioning, and the gym is in charge of the skill-specific conditioning. " didn't focus on the events he was passionate about" That is a luxury. I do not know his passions but like strength training; certain events have prerequisite events. By the way, I am not trying to sound rude or anything, but what makes you qualify as coach for your son since they do not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Oh, I'm not his coach. I barely know anything about gymnastics . You guys know WAY more than us. What I meant by events he was passionate about ((I didn't write that correctly)means that they didn't dedicate much time to developing basic things and focusing on developing events with good form (e.g. throwing him into a bridge without proper progression). We also felt that the way things were going there, he could get injured because they were making him do long handstands against wall without being able to do even short duration with good form. I think there's nothing wrong with how they teach non-strength related stuff. I also don't think they would be willing to arrange a deal. He was on preteam, but he didn't feel ready. They just weren't focusing on stuff that mattered for any sort of future gymnastics; they weren't building the foundation he needed. I'll give an example: he was doing spotted handstand pushups and handstand presses WITHOUT being able to do a proper spotted handstand. I would like to emphasize that there is nothing wrong with the gym. It just doesn't suit him right now, and something more flexible would be better for him. In terms of skill work, before beginning BHS work, he should have a good bridge, shouldn't he? But they were doing BHS work there without properly developing bridge. Thanks a lot for the help, and we'll probably buy the courses by the end of the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 By the way, his passions are pommel and rings. He's not much of a tumbling guy, and gets motion sickness from tumbling (another reason he left for a while, he'll grow out of it hopefully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni Garcea Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Isn't there another gym he can go to? I find of extreme value for kids to train with other kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 There is one, but due to schedule and all, I think he'll train at home for a while. He should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Egebak Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I agree that it is not a good idea to let those coaches do their work. It seems like the have no idea about proper training. I can relate to this as my girlfriend's little sister is being taught backspring without even learning a handstand, and the prescribed bridge work does not put any effort into opening the shoulders. It has come to my attention that this approach is quite normal (in Denmark) and perhaps that is why Denmark is only good for trampoline stuff. It is a good idea not to them them train your child until he can perform what they put him through with perfect form. As for pommel horse and rings, those are 2 of the most advanced events (in my humble opinion). I would say a lot of floor skills are needed before serious rings work, and a lot of mushroom work is needed before serious pommel training. As for the motion sickness I can only recommend easing into the stuff. Sometimes it is psychological, sometimes it is age-specific, sometimes it is a chronic desease... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Yes, by pommel I mean mushroom I think the lead coaches are really good, founder is world champ, just his coach is a bit less experienced being a teenager. But I think its good for him to train independently for a bit. Lead coaches come in at level 4, but before team he wants solid base for future gym Edited April 10, 2015 by GenericGymnast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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