jamesters Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 This is something I've been wondering for a long time. I see some people do RO BHS then the flip, others do RO BHS BHS then the flip. Can you get optimum momentum from just a round off then 1 back hand spring or can doing 2 back hand springs actually help pick up more momentum for the flip. I've also seen someone do a triple full on flat ground from solely a round off! That made me wonder if doing a back hand spring is even necessary. Anyway, basically I'm just wondering what's best for getting momentum for backwards tumbling. I mean, if you were to do a quad full or triple back, how would you set up for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 If your BHS isn't a hindrance and deccelerate you, it can help. Of course, you may just use a back whip ( back handspring that is high without the hands like a really arched layout ). Doing multiple BHS sometimes is a training tool just to learn and train horizontal momentum vs vertical momentum. More turnover in the RO to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesters Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well, I'm wondering why one person would do a RO BHS Triple Back, while another person would do a RO BHS BHS Triple Back, is it simply a matter of preference or is there a reason for the different set up? Or, like you said, some people might use Back Whips instead of BHS. Is it preference or is there purpose to it maybe depending on the skill to come after it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.percussion Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I have noticed something among power tumblers. They may do a lot of whips in one pass but they ALWAYS (or pretty close to always) do a BHS before the dismount. My thought is that you are closer to the ground and don't have as much downward momentum but instead horizontal momentum that is easier to convert into vertical momentum.If you have great back handsprings I believe that they can improve the speed and help you get the vertical height you need after the block. If your back handsprings are not ideal they will detract from your ability to block as high. That is why a lot of times you will see people with less training do roundoff right into a flip, because they either cannot do BHSs or they are bad at them. This also brings up the fact that if you have a really good roundoff you may not even need to use BHSs to build momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindx Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I have noticed something among power tumblers. They may do a lot of whips in one pass but they ALWAYS (or pretty close to always) do a BHS before the dismount. My thought is that you are closer to the ground and don't have as much downward momentum but instead horizontal momentum that is easier to convert into vertical momentum.If you have great back handsprings I believe that they can improve the speed and help you get the vertical height you need after the block. If your back handsprings are not ideal they will detract from your ability to block as high. That is why a lot of times you will see people with less training do roundoff right into a flip, because they either cannot do BHSs or they are bad at them. This also brings up the fact that if you have a really good roundoff you may not even need to use BHSs to build momentum.No, the reason why they shift from whipbacks to BHS is the angle of entry is decreased. This allows you to get more hang time as the angle of entry of a long BHS is very shallow.If your angle of entry into the last skill is too high (instead of shallow) most of your momentum is thrown into moving straight backwards instead of transferred into vertical movement.This is also prominent if you watch any of the twisting skills in slow motion you'll notice that as the amount twists increases the shallower the angle of takeoff needs to be. You need more hangtime to complete a greater number of twists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.percussion Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I guess I'm just really bad at explaining things. Your explanation was what I was thinking, just not what I communicated.Haha.Thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesters Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ya, I think you were both pretty much saying the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindx Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Oh I read your post wrong. yeah, we said the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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