MALTESE and victorian

[Ian Legrow]

1. BL press to Maltese press to Planche is done lying with your back on a bench, looking up to the ceiling?

2. FL press to Victorian is done the other way round? (lying on your chest on a bench so you are facing the ground)

3. Would it be better to use a bench that is quite short so that your legs and some parts of the upper body are airborne to recruit more muscle?

On http://www.american-gymnast.com/home/index.cfm (AG Training Center) there is an article about learning the Maltese on Rings. They use the "Maltese Dumbell Press" lying on a pommel horse which for smaller athletes is long enough to support nearly the whole body (you have to login to read/see that).

Thanks in advance

1.Yes

2.Yes

3.If you are preparing for Maltese you should already have core strength to hold position....So it's not necessary.

The following was a question in the beginning and an answer by Gregor. I tried to picture this but it seems backwards to me. If, with a Maltese, one is in a position similar to the planche but much lower obviously, why would you practice it on a bench with you face facing the ceiling? Similarly, if practicing a Victorian, when during the ring move your body is lying flat and facing the ceiling, why the hell would you be on a bench with you face facing the ground?

Now, I am not even close to getting an FL straddle yet, let alone either of these, however i really cannot picture either of these two movments helping to train the moves they are specified for. Anyone know why opr am i just stupid and missed something?

[Philip Chubb]

I can't tell since the whole conversation isn't there, but it seems like this is about the positions for using weights as assistance exercises.

[Ian Legrow]

WELL, that makes sense. I guess i was just completely missing what was right in front of me

[MichaelLee]

Gravity? If you do each exercise the other way round with weights they won't affect the (being extremely vague here) biceps or triceps.

[Philip Chubb]

WELL, that makes sense. I guess i was just completely missing what was right in front of me

It happens to the best of us, my friend!

[Gregor]

Head look ceilling, palms in anatomical position - maltese

Head look ceilling, palms down - nothing

Head looks bench, palms up to ceiling - victorian

Head look ceilling, palms in anatomical position - nothing

If you look front and back lever and in both you must push down with palms to the body, same goes with victorian and maltese and almost the same with weights (weights with palms to the body (not with back of a palm) only you are laying diffrently).