Started by ilove2workout28, July 6, 2010 · 8 Replies · 7,609 Views
Just out of curiosity, why are some exercises in BTGB in a static form? I.e, front/back lever, planche variations, etc. How is this more effective then doing a negative or concentric movement? Not bad mouthing the methods, just like to get an in-depth analysis of it, and educate myself more on the human body. Thanks everyone.
Daniel
Eccentric and concentric forms are there. Just not (unsurprisingly) in the FSP section.
Holding a static in the most disadvantaged position places as much demand as possible on joints and tissues (including muscles).
Statics don't provide a total program as they only provide strength within about 30 degree's of where the arm is. So what is the point? Tissue preparation, and without them you can only work compromised versions or many FBE's.
Oic. i didn't know all that. When should someone start doing eccentrics and concentric exercises?
Animalonfire said:Eccentric and concentric forms are there. Just not (unsurprisingly) in the FSP section.Holding a static in the most disadvantaged position places as much demand as possible on joints and tissues (including muscles).
Statics don't provide a total program as they only provide strength within about 30 degree's of where the arm is. So what is the point? Tissue preparation, and without them you can only work compromised versions or many FBE's.
Well for one, statics don't all put the joint in the most disadvantaged position. For example, victorian is more disadvantaged than front lever and maltese moreso than back lever.
Also, the whole 30 degrees transfer things isn't exactly true. If you practice front lever statics it can increase your pullups. If the 30 degrees thing was true, then that wouldn't happen.
A lot of the studies that found this to be true were looking at machines isolating joints. In such cases, you get 15 degrees transfer on both sides, but it doesn't always work out that way when you get into more complicated movements.
Oic. i didn't know all that. When should someone start doing eccentrics and concentric exercises?
Yesterday, now, tomorrow. Day 1.
ilove2workout28 said:Oic. i didn't know all that. When should someone start doing eccentrics and concentric exercises?
The back and front levers all have concentric and eccentric movements in the books. e.g. front and back pulls, tick tocks, ect.
As per PHYSICS.. work is defined by displacement. So from that perspective.. DYNAMICS = WORK, STATICS = NO / LESSER WORK.
But for anyone doing both.. you realize that as much as MOVING in a ROM takes effort.. so does HOLDING something STILL. Both put a different kind of toll on the body... muscles & connective tissues / joints.. Different!!! Apples / Oranges.. not one better than another etc.
But for anyone doing both.. you realize that as much as MOVING in a ROM takes effort.. so does HOLDING something STILL.
To note, there is a line in the new Karate Kid/Kung Fu Kid. Being still is not the same as doing nothing.
simply put, statics put the greatest loads on the body. second only to slow eccentric contractions, which should be used with even more care than statics. conditioning the joints in locked positions, tendon strength...youve read it all before
secondly, gymnastics as a sport relies on static strength.
thirdly, they are a lot of fun.