Double backs or back layout first?

Name says it all,

I have average to good spin and with only one bounce I can easily do a back tuck, and the only way I don't land on my back is by having A loose spin = slower rotation

I also can on A good day do A somewhat tucked though not very much layout, I guess I just need to know which one I should try/foucus on first.

And on A side note I can do A back flip from standing still on the tramp i.e no bounce just Immediate backflip would it be possible easier/harder for me to do it on the ground?

Thanks 8)

Probably a back layout.

Back tuck>Back pike>Back tuck open to stretch at inverted vertical>Back Layout>Back Layout to back.

Ideally, you would teach the Tuck Open from the Back Tuck but it generally takes some time. This often becomes the Back "Puck" which is a tucked position that isn't very tucked as the hips and knees are at 90 degrees or wider.

I think what blairbob is saying is yes.

You can do a back tuck on the trampoline without bounce... you're asking if it would be easier or harder on the ground, and you want to try a double backflip?

I know I'm the crazy guy around here with "impossible" dreams, but this is too much for even me. Don't mean to hurt your feelings, I'm just saying. Don't you think a double backflip should be taken more seriously?

Lol Seiji I think you totally misunderstood me, did you think I meant "Can I do A double back from no momentum standing on the floor?" well Uh I would laugh at anyone who said that too what I meant was 2 different questions the first was

1: Which should I do first the Back layout or the double back tuck? on the trampoline of course

Than My totally unrelated question was

2: I can do I back tuck from no momentum on the trampoline would it possible/smart/easier for me to do A SINGLE back TUCK on A padded floor or on soft grass

Did this clear it up for you any or am I still dreaming the impossible?

Lol I would pay to see someone do A double back tuck (or A double back layout) from no momentum.

there are loads of people who do standing doubleback on tramp

There have even been a handful of people do to standing doubleback onto a level mat, Charlie Tamayo being the only successful one I can think of off the top of my head

I don't think you understand that doubleback is a pretty serious skill and should not be taken lightly. The answer to your question should be obvious

The answer to both of your questions in fact should be obvious if you take a few minutes and apply your critical thinking skills.

As far as trying standing tuck on ground, it shouldn't be hard if your technique is sound

Steve Elliott did it before Charlie Tamayo. I have seen the footage of both somewhere, probably youtube.

You may be to begin training standing back flip if you can doit with a small bounce on trampoline. It still is not a good indicator of whether you are ready forit.

Before I worked standing back on floor I did on trampoline with a soft 8 inch mat to take away a lot of the give.

Well thanks yuri that is exactly why I made this thread, To get an Idea of how hard the double back is compared to the layout, obviously I will wait till I get better.

And BB I think I will have to try that drill tomorrow

Thanks for the help everyone!

Blairbob said:

Steve Elliott did it before Charlie Tamayo. I have seen the footage of both somewhere, probably youtube.

You may be to begin training standing back flip if you can doit with a small bounce on trampoline. It still is not a good indicator of whether you are ready forit.

Before I worked standing back on floor I did on trampoline with a soft 8 inch mat to take away a lot of the give.

I had not heard of Steve Elliott but was able to find it easier than I thought

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Actually I did understand

Layouts aren't very hard, they just take a little time to get used to if you've never done one before. Depending on your air time and how fast you can tuck determines which is easier, layout or double tuck. I still would go with layout being easier for most people.

By the by, I'm going to say standing tucks on the ground are easy. They're scary for some, scarier for others, but it's all easy. Just make sure your technique is good and you'll be fine

Layouts are actually quite hard to do perfect, but very easy to do wrong imo.. and yes back layout before double back, doing a proper straight body layout teaches the 'go up before you rotate'