Human Scales/Two Man Planche

I wasn't entirely certain whether this was the right place to ask about this skill, but this is a team skill that really intrigued me the first time I saw it. Would this require more/less/the same amount of strength as a planche does, or is it more geared toward balance like an elbow lever?

IT's more or less a balance between two bodies. Of course you need strength for that but less then planche.

I can do a similar skill (the upper person hooking with the feet at the hip of the bottom-person), and it's quite easy strength-wise. Not so much balance-wise.

However in the shown skill, it feels like the bottom person needs quite some neck-muscles in order to support the weight resting on the head (that's where I failed the last time I tried it). With the legs hooked in the upper person has a much better position to help the bottom person. (help = ease the work the shoulders have to do)

The most impressive two-person-planche I came across so far is this one:

from this group: http://www.showgruppe-elemento.de/ .

LOL, she might weigh more than he does!

palmcron said:

I can do a similar skill (the upper person hooking with the feet at the hip of the bottom-person), and it's quite easy strength-wise. Not so much balance-wise.

What is this called? Me and my friend are working on this but dont know the name of it so we cant find any tutorial videos on it

Sorry, I don't know a name for it.

How are you working on it; what are the problems? Maybe I can help.

Try to keep your hip down, and balance mostly with your hands.

I believe, improving my freestanding handstand helped very much.

My friend is the bottom support, and I sit on his upper back facing his feet. I then lean back over his head with my feet hooked under his hips. I strive to pull his hips/legs up with my feet as much as possible while leaning back, and he tries to straddle planche. We make it for a second but then the forward lean is too much for him and he falls forward onto his face (good thing we have pillows!). It also seems like I pull up with my right leg a lot harder than with my left, so maybe this off-balances us and thats why we fall? He is new to gymnastics tho, but he is a strong bench presser so that's why he is on bottom cuz he can support me sitting on his back. He doesnt have good balance or wrist flexibility tho and so do u think this is why we cant get it? I'd be on bottom, but im not strong enough to hold the straight arms with him sitting on me.

Go slow into it then.

Does anyone know the skill where one person leans back and the other does a dragon flag on his knees? (holding hands)

I never did a bench-press in my life, and my pushup and planche-strength isn't very good, too. I only faceplanted once while training that skill.

I believe, the most important thing is balance, really - if the counter-weight is big enough. If not, there has to be some forward-lean, which makes it more towards a real planche. I had best experiences with someone about my weight.

You might try increasing the lever; have your ass above the base's head or even farther.

@Seji: I've never performed it myself, but I've seen it plenty of times. Have you tried it?

I'm too weak for a good dragon flag, unfortunately...

I'm actually a little interested to know whether or not people can "walk" while in a planche? Coach has that video and exercise with the L-walks (something I still can't do), but no idea about this one.

There are videos of people walking in tuck or straddle planche on youtube. There was a thread about it at the trickstutorials-board.

I met Markus and Lisa (the guys from the picture) last weekend and talked a bit about that human scales. When he learned these moves, he did some (adv.) tuck-planche-training. It's actually mostly about balancing with the wrists and a good ratio of weight and lever.

I also tried that dragon-flag-thing last weekend, and it seemed easy, although I did it with one leg bend (so my foot was at the knee of the other straight leg). I'll have to try a dragon flag again as soon as I have something to hold on.

Does holding on a pole also count as a real dragon flag? (hands on the pole above shoulder compared to hands level with back when doing it on a bench) The shoulder angle on a pole (or in that two-person-dragon-flag) makes it a lot easier, I believe.

No real difference, in my opinion. I can do them both ways, and they are more comfortable with a pole, but not less difficult.

palmcron said:

I can do a similar skill (the upper person hooking with the feet at the hip of the bottom-person), and it's quite easy strength-wise. Not so much balance-wise.

Found a video of some people doing the described skill:

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