Is development of bent arm strength nessassary to make good progress in handstand training?

A while ago I read a thread on the gymnastic bodies forum that discussed the crucial importance of bent arm strength and how it always comes first , basically it stated that before you can expect any significant gains in straight arm movements (static holds ) you must first develop strength in corresponding bent arm movements  otherwise you'd be just spinning your wheels. 

Is handstand a straight arm strength element?

if say one's main goal is becoming proficient in hand balancing and I'm not talking about any fancy one arm balances just a solid straight handstand is handstand one sufficient for that purpose or is it nessassary to compliment it with bent arm movements ( basically follow foundation)?

I think you have misunderstoond something, developing strength in bent arm movements are not identical to the straight arm ones

Bent arm pushing strength training (push ups, dips, hspu) are likely to aid your handstand training in terms of adding muscle mass, particularly pushing where your shoulder blades are fully elevated and particularly if you push to the fullest of your range of motion.

So overhead weighted presses and handstand push up progressions will likely have some carryover to your straight arm handstand training.

But your specific handstand training should not have any bent arm elements involved.

Nope. C, Sommer idea (and i've seen that is something share by all elite level coaches) is that bent arms and straight arms are 2 different fields.

Bent arms prepares the joints for the high level stress or SA rings elements but it cannot substitute the specific preparation of SA elements.

In order to achieve high quality handstand on floor you should train preparatory elements and specific elements that usually are always performed with straight arms. Approaching handstand with bent arms is the most common error of amateur performers.

3 hours ago, Alessandro Mainente said:

Nope. C, Sommer idea (and i've seen that is something share by all elite level coaches) is that bent arms and straight arms are 2 different fields.

Bent arms prepares the joints for the high level stress or SA rings elements but it cannot substitute the specific preparation of SA elements.

In order to achieve high quality handstand on floor you should train preparatory elements and specific elements that usually are always performed with straight arms. Approaching handstand with bent arms is the most common error of amateur performers.

 

Alessandro,  I understand that straight arm strength is very specific and it can't be developed by doing bent arm excercises alone. But my question was will one's handstand progress accelerate if they supplement elements from handstand one course with bent arm strength elements from foundation. I know that coach sommer recommends that for well rounded athletic development we should follow handstand+ foundation. But I'm just curious is it possible to achieve perfect gymnastic handstand doing excercises from handstand one  course without doing any other excercises? 

You do not need accessories exercises to develop free handstand. the major part of the kids I'm training in my gym do not have handstand push up or full rom dip . but they have solid handstand. 

If you can hold an handstand facing the wall or a wall handstand with back facing the wall you have the necessary strength for the upper limbs. the biggest obstacle of handstand is balance and achieve a stacked position and not strength.

On 9 May 2016 at 11:00 AM, Alessandro Mainente said:

You do not need accessories exercises to develop free handstand. the major part of the kids I'm training in my gym do not have handstand push up or full rom dip . but they have solid handstand. 

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Alessandro , thank you for clarifying that point , but what about straddle press to handstand is it also a mostly skill based movement more so than a strength based movement ?

You talked about handstand and I answered for what is concerned with handstand.

we can say that press to handstand it is all about mobility, the less is the tension of the muscles that work against press, the less will be the effort necessary to perform it. basically you need monster straps and loooooong posterior chain.