FL pull ups benefits

Hi everyone !

I am wondering if training tuck/straddle FL rows will help me progressing to the full Front Lever. ( i don't forgot the progressions)

the thing is that in FL row you are pulling horizontaly while in a front lever  you are pulling in a vertical motion. so i am a bit confused.

Quite a lot of people also mention pull ups (weighted)  as the best prerequisite/auxiliary exercise to help with the FL.

i am 5'10' so i know that this skill will be hard for me.

Thanks in advance.

In neither of those exercises do you pull vertically....

Yeah, working tuck FL rows should help you get your full lay FL, but make sure to work both exercises.

Doing Push-Ups and Dips will never lead to Planche but to Hollow Back Press ("90 degrees Push-Up").
Doing Rows and Pull-Ups will never lead to Front Lever but to Rope Climbing.

Don't confound straight arm strength and bent arm strength.

Front Lever mastery requires appropriate progressions.

Front Lever, Straddle Planche, Side Lever, Manna, Single Leg Squat, Hollow Back Press and Rope Climbing are the seven fundamental (beginner level) GST exercises covered in the Foundation Series.

Thanks for the replies !

Essentially i would like to get both solid FL and FL rows so i know what to do

Sorry for disturbance, but i am new to the right form of FL hold.. i am confuse.. all my friends can do a full lay FL hold but they dont know the perfect form, they do the FL with Protracted scapula and they achieved it in almost 2months.. just like my Old FL, i achieved a 10secs Advnce One Leg FL but with Protracted scap.. but now i figured out here in GB the Right and Prerfect form of FL, the importance of Retracted and Depressed Scap which cre8 a Hollow body position.. Bcoz of that issue i had to go back from the start and regress.. Now from advnce OneLeg Fl wth Protracted scaps

I regress to Tuck Fl.. Now i find it Very hard and Only got small progress evry week..

Can u guys give me Any advice about it.. my friends tell me to first achieve the ful lay Fl wth Protracted scaps then after that start to workout the scap issue.. i am confuse.. any Advice will be Appreciate..

The scapula should NOT be retracted and depressed. It should be slightly protracted and depressed.

https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/topic/18899-straight-arm-front-lever/

Joshua Slocum said:

Shoulder position should be neutral or slightly protracted. However, in order to maintain that position against the pull of gravity, you have to pull as if you were retracting.

Coach Sommer on Reddit :

Scapula should NEVER be fully retracted during front lever work. When the scapula are fully retracted the lats are deactivated.

This is easily verified. Stand upright. Now flex your lats. Now fully retract your scapula until the shoulder blades are touching together. Now try to flex your lats again. It can't be done.

The problem arises from an issue of semantics. What we are striving for in front lever is to be neither fully protracted nor full retracted. The most efficient position is the scaps protracted with the shoulder blades spread as wide as possible. This is your position of greatest strength.

Appreciated Sir Krel BUT
What about Antranik and Joshua_Naterman Information? They Both said that Retracted Scapula is a MUST ..

http://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/comments/2qjdut/front_lever_tutorial/

Their Tutorial is what Im following now, Sorry Sir Krel but Im still Confuse. Can you please Give me a Concrete Explanation..

Anyway, Thankyou for the reply and Sorry for my Grammar. 

Excuse me sir, I've Read the entire topic from:

https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/topic/18899-straight-arm-front-lever/

Now I understand ( 75% )   

But still, can you please Give an Explanation about what Antranik and Joshua_Naterman said.
I will very very Appreciate it..

Again, Thankyou for Reply, It wil definitely Help.

They were mistaken, Coach Sommer has subsequently clarified this.

For development of gymnastics elements, always go with what the gymnastics national team coach says

Thankyou for replies, appreciated.

Now i will always train my Fl with Neutral Scaps.. i Conclude that Retracting my Scaps while keeping it neutral is the best and the right way, so far.. hehe i wish I dont have false progress :-)

Ken - Novice said:

Thankyou for replies, appreciated.

Now i will always train my Fl with Neutral Scaps.. i Conclude that Retracting my Scaps while keeping it neutral is the best and the right way, so far.. hehe i wish I dont have false progress :-)

That's not exactly right.  Read what Coach Sommer said again:

The most efficient position is the scaps protracted with the shoulder blades spread as wide as possible.

Please reared that thread Alan. There is some retraction, but it's not purposeful retraction. The position of the scaps is very natural, it's where you feel the strongest which is on the wider side of neutral.

I'm just simply quoting Coach Sommer from 2 months ago on reddit (which I felt was more recent than that thread):

That is correct and no different to what Coach has ever said. but in terms of what the OP asked, it's seems he already has the idea and by itself the snippet reads as protract to 110%. 

People are getting lost in semantics and trying to make a very natural position difficult. 

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Haha.. even ur debating, i still get the idea in this topic.. wew.. its a tough one

Thank guys