Calisthenics

Jurre said:

I also find it odd that gymnasts aren´t allowed to compete in the SW championships.

But this:

Rayne-William, on 26 Sept 2014 - 03:47 AM, said:

To me, street workout "Competitions" are just another "Rat race" of "I'm better than you because of _______________."

How is that different from most of not any competitions, also gymnastics competitions. Isn't a competition exactly to show you are better than someone else because of _____________.

Street workout is not gymnastics. Therefor you shouldn't look at them with the same glasses.

Street workout also has a lot of show elements.

Gymnastics is more about proper form.

Also you can't tell me any beginning gymnast uses perfect form straight away, same for any SW guy.

Street workout is more about show elements and gymnastics is about form?? Don't think so. Watch a highbar routine from worlds this week and tell me that the release moves aren't showy

kenzo shirai doing 4 twist sticking the landing , uchimura doing 2 tuck back with 3 twists, liukin with triple backflip....it's not showy? 

what's your definition of showy?

Rayne-William said:

 

I thought how it might also look odd to let go of one ring mid routine.

 

Since my post was quoted and to get the facts straight. I really don't care about street workout "Competitions." The best in the world* aren't even allowed to participate. To me, street workout "Competitions" are just another "Rat race" of "I'm better than you because of _______________."

 

What I do care about is developing the needed connective tissue and muscular strength to handle the physical demands of the "Skills" I choose to do.

 

*From Section 6.6 of the 2014 Street Workout World Cup Official Regulations "Athletes who are or have been enclosed in the list of licensed sportsmen of the International Federation of Gymnastics - IFG (Fédération Internationale de Gymnastique – FIG) are not allowed to participate in the street workout competitions."

 

_{(Emphasis added for clarity)}

 

I don't understand what is suprising in the fact that real pro gymnasts aren't allowed in SW competition... You guys really have no clue about the SW culture do you? 

SW 101 class: SW was born under the MAIN idea that it is a sport accessible for EVERYONE, even those who did not profite from coachs, those who started old, those who self-taught themselves, etc.... the point of SW is making is accessible everyone, and not just the ELITES athletes of this world (gymnasts)...

Just think about it, if a gymnasts participated in these competition, there wouldn't actually be a competition... 3/4 of the ppl there wouldn't even bother trying to compete if they were against real gymnasts... gymnasts elites have been training since their childhood, and with coachs, teams, etc. They are simply not fair against a kid who came from the street, watched youtube and decided to work out with his own bodyweight...

Why bother competing if you know you have no chance? A pro gymnast athlete would make the sport NOT accessible for EVERYONE, and THIS is why they are prohibited from participating.

Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I'm french and I wrote this really fast xd

(P.S., no offense intended, everyone has his own opinion and I respect that, I'm just giving you mine still love GST ahah otherwise I wouldn'T be here xd )

hype said:

I don't understand what is suprising in the fact that real pro gymnasts aren't allowed in SW competition... You guys really have no clue about the SW culture do you? 

 

SW 101 class: SW was born under the MAIN idea that it is a sport accessible for EVERYONE, even those who did not profite from coachs, those who started old, those who self-taught themselves, etc.... the point of SW is making is accessible everyone, and not just the ELITES athletes of this world (gymnasts)...

 

Just think about it, if a gymnasts participated in these competition, there wouldn't actually be a competition... 3/4 of the ppl there wouldn't even bother trying to compete if they were against real gymnasts... gymnasts elites have been training since their childhood, and with coachs, teams, etc. They are simply not fair against a kid who came from the street, watched youtube and decided to work out with his own bodyweight...

 

Why bother competing if you know you have no chance? A pro gymnast athlete would make the sport NOT accessible for EVERYONE, and THIS is why they are prohibited from participating.

 

Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I'm french and I wrote this really fast xd

 

 

(P.S., no offense intended, everyone has his own opinion and I respect that, I'm just giving you mine still love GST ahah otherwise I wouldn'T be here xd )

If even one gymnast happened to have the desire to just have fun, he or she couldn't participate because the rules and regulations of the association won't allow just "Anyone" and "Everyone" to do so.

If the gymnasts aren't allowed to participate the event isn't truely accessible to "Everyone."

(For sake of clarity: In Merriam Websters Dictionary the term "Everyone" is defined to mean "Every person." The term "Anyone" is defined to mean "Any person."

Jurre said:

I also find it odd that gymnasts aren´t allowed to compete in the SW championships.

But this: 

Rayne-William, on 26 Sept 2014 - 03:47 AM, said:

 

To me, street workout "Competitions" are just another "Rat race" of "I'm better than you because of _______________."

 

 

How is that different from most of not any competitions, also gymnastics competitions. Isn't a competition exactly to show you are better than someone else because of _____________.

 

Street workout is not gymnastics. Therefor you shouldn't look at them with the same glasses.

Street workout also has a lot of show elements.

Gymnastics is more about proper form.

 

Also you can't tell me any beginning gymnast uses perfect form straight away, same for any SW guy.

I don't intend on competing in gymnastic or street workout events.  If I happen to go to any "competitive" event, I am going for the sake of having fun. I don't care if I win or lose. The only rival I truely have is myself.

When have ever stated a beginner gymnast uses perfect form straight away. I don't think any street work out participant will ever use perfect form to begin with.

Anyways, why would a gymnast athlete compete in SW, and not in Gymnastics competition? Do soccer players compete in basketball games?

hype said:

Anyways, why would a gymnast athlete compete in SW, and not in Gymnastics competition? Do soccer players compete in basketball games?

1. To have fun. 2. To relieve stress. 3. He or she did not qualify for some gymnastic competition.

Why not?

Yes. I know some soccer/futbol players that played in basketball games.

So gymnastic events are also rat races to you?

Also where did you get your knowledge on SW?

All in all this discussion is completely dumb.

Street workout isn't gymnastics. And one is not better than the other. It's a different sport.

The GST community isn't a very great community tbh, just because of there elitism. Which perfectly shows in these discussions over and over.

Jurre said:

So gymnastic events are also rat races to you?

Also where did you get your knowledge on SW?

All in all this discussion is completely dumb.

Street workout isn't gymnastics. And one is not better than the other. It's a different sport.

 

The GST community isn't a very great community tbh, just because of there elitism. Which perfectly shows in these discussions over and over.

Sw is made from some clever mind who has seen business from it. Same as fusball is made from football. If there is no football there wouldnt be fusball, same thing is with sw and gsymnastics.

To discuss which sport is better is stupid becouse practically it is same sport.

PS

Reason why gymnasts are not allowed to compete in sw is much larger than people think it is. Think with your heads people.

hype said:

A big THANKS for this reply, it needed to be said..

Honestly I feel more and more turned off of gymnastics everytime I come on this forum, it's crazy how you guys bash on SW. The mentality of Sw forums is completely different, it's not about what is better or who is better, it's not about doing it the right or wrongway according to "standards" it's about working out, having fun, and helping each other to ALL become better.. And THAT is what makes SW better than gymnastics to me, it has more heart and ppl dont feel the need to bash on other sports.

At the end of the day, it IS quite obv that GST athletes are stronger and better athletes, and YES they have way better forms. It is expected since they trained since their childhood under professional coachs supervision. in SW, everything is self-taught or learned from others who self-taught themselves.

Having 'fun' with the added interest of injuries really kills the 'fun'. 

It is commendable to have reached that level while being self taught but if you eventually do find superior resources and you understand the importance of things that were overlooked, it is up to the individual to choose to clean up his act. 

Jurre said:

So gymnastic events are also rat races to you?

Also where did you get your knowledge on SW?

All in all this discussion is completely dumb.

Street workout isn't gymnastics. And one is not better than the other. It's a different sport.

 

The GST community isn't a very great community tbh, just because of there elitism. Which perfectly shows in these discussions over and over.

Then why bring up these discussions up over and over again? You already know that the GST community focuses on striving for perfection with minimal risk. 

Jurre said:

So gymnastic events are also rat races to you?

Also where did you get your knowledge on SW?

All in all this discussion is completely dumb.

Street workout isn't gymnastics. And one is not better than the other. It's a different sport.

 

The GST community isn't a very great community tbh, just because of there elitism. Which perfectly shows in these discussions over and over.

1. I don't intend on participating in a gymnastic or some street workout event.

2. Google web search

Your reality is relative to your perception.

I just have to chip in. Street workout brought me to gymnastics. Thank god for that.

All this "brother" talk. "Accessible to everyone" etc. Who are you lying to? I've been to a lot of parks. I'm even part of some "crew" (lol, i know). It's all about who's better. It's all about reps reps reps. And if you try to correct someone they start to hate you. If you mention that you train with weights you are "not true" in their eyes.

They have no idea about nutrition. You're drinking whey? "Look, he's on roids".

And don't give me this "it's a different sport" thing. It's like playing basketball with your own made up rules. It's stupid

These exercises all exist and the correct form has been set down in stone years ago. Do it right or at least TRY to do it right.

If you can do a kipping muscle up, say you can do a kipping muscle up. Don't say "yeah i can do a MU" and then proceed to do a sloppy kipping muscle up. Come on.

I agree but you are putting every one in the same basket. I come from street workout too, because I did not know any better, but I trained alone all the time and made sure I had good form on every exercises I was doing. Now I'm doing GST because it is way harder.

Street workout that focuses on endurance is not very good, but street workout that focuses on strength skills (mostly in europe) is amazing. Check out this video, this guy is a street workout athlete : 

Trey Stone said:

I agree but you are putting every one in the same basket. I come from street workout too, because I did not know any better, but I trained alone all the time and made sure I had good form on every exercises I was doing. Now I'm doing GST because it is way harder.

Street workout that focuses on endurance is not very good, but street workout that focuses on strength skills (mostly in europe) is amazing. Check out this video, this guy is a street workout athlete : 

 

Sw is something learned and trained in street. You dont see so perfect planches on street unless guy who can do it wasnt gymnast or wasnt adviced from some gymnast.

By the way, i never seen worst front lever.

The only thing i liked about the video was the planche. It was done better than all other street workout planches i have ever seen. At least he's trying to have a hollow body...

And the name "street workout". What the hell. Come one guys, are we 12 years old? I can't take anyone serious who says street workout. At least say calisthenics (like in the title). Sounds more professional.

I am throwing everyone in the same basket because i haven't yet met anyone who was doing this out of love Sure many guys claim that, unless you critique their form. Then you can see it's all about the ego and they just want to hear the "wow's".

Let's not start about their routines... they have never heard of pull to push ratio or balance. That's why most of them have OVERdeveloped lats and overall backs and a lacking chest. Or vice versa. 

Like a friend of mine said... street workout is for people that are too stupid to do gymnastics.

I may have come off too mean on the last post, didn't mean to do that

It's just that if you do push ups, pull ups, dips etc in a park that's not street workout. This exists for ages too it's called bodyweight exercises. But if you start to incorporate levers and more gymnastics 'elements' then you should focus on proper form and not try to bash gymnastics.

I remember looking at a handstand tutorial on madbarz months ago and one comment there was "look at the ground. This ain't gymnastics bitch." So yeah. Other than that i love the calisthenic movement. Dudes like these

WadeWilson said:

Other than that i love the calisthenic movement. Dudes like these

That's funny that you like him. He mentioned once that he was a gymnast in his younger ages

He said he never trained gymnastics. Not egg and not sven (I think that's their names). But they do train in a gymnastic facility

If he did train gymnastics before that's even better though Just shows how this style of training actually works

My bad.. I found the comment I was referring to, and they said that they both have some weight training from prior to begin bodyweight training (sounds better than sw, doesn't it? )

this thread is starting to look like a genre/console war

Quite interesting how these type of discussions always pop up in various fields.

A lot of in group bias going on, wondering how these discussions look on the other side.