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Summary: SL/PE1 Arch Body Hold

Started by wheezer, January 10, 2014 · 75 Replies · 11,512 Views

wheezer

Bobby Bogdanovski's topic SL/PE Arch Body Hold (ABH) has become like a river in a gold-rush: full of gold, but it takes a lot of sifting (22 pages as I write this) to find it.

 

For six months I've been meaning to go through the topic and make notes. I finally did, and thought I would share a summary:

 

 

Introduction

The Arch Body Hold (ABH) is notoriously difficult for a PE1. Doing the same hold on your back is equivalent to FL/PE5. It will "diagnose" and address a range of strength and mobility limitations throughout your posterior chain. For example: tight hips, tight quads, weak glutes and stiff trigger point areas will all affect your success with this element.

 

As adults, most of us have limited our ROM over many years - often decades - of unbalanced movement. It will take time to recover the ROM we have lost. For this reason, patience and persistance is a requirement.

 

It may comfort you to note two things. First: the development from other F7 exercises will carry over to your ABH. For example, the bridge elements for FL will improve your hip flexor mobility; which assists your glutes in extending your legs off the ground. Second: probably no SL PE will take as long as PE1. Right now, you are working on initial ROM problems that you have spent decades developing. Mastering this element will likely be your biggest hurdle all the way to an SL.

 

How To Do an ABH

Pay close attention to your form and the amount of arch you generate. Holding the ABH with good form is more important than holding for a good amount of time (and will help you progress quicker). Compare your arch with the model picture regularly.

 

Over time, you are likely to increase your arch as your posterior chain gets stronger. When you do achieve new ROM, you may need to go back some weeks (maybe even to Week 1) to maintain it. Increased ROM will add a lot of intensity. For example: some people can do 60s with low ROM, but not even 12s with better ROM.

 

General cues for ABH:

  • focus on making your body as long as possible

  • focus on trying to touch your glutes to the back of your head

  • squeeze your whole body and make it tense

  • push your stomach against the floor, and press with your abs

  • breathe with shallow and steady breaths from the diaphraghm

 

General cues for the upper body:

  • arch from the thoracic region

  • pull your head and neck back, and curl back as much as possible

  • as you curl back, retract the scapula and open the shoulders

  • keep your arms straight and your shoulders as open as possible

 

General cues for the lower body:

  • press the legs away from the hips to activate the glutes (instead of the erector spinae)

  • tense the glues and hamstrings

  • make sure the glutes are doing more work than the hamstrings (this will create torque in the leg)

  • push the insides of your feet together (whether your knees touch will depend on your build)

  • point your feet

  • lock your knees – focus on reaching up and back with your heels

  • externally rotate the hip slightly

 

What to Expect

  • As you move through the sets, your arch will gradually lessen. As you get stronger, you will be able to hold the arch with more ease.

  • Shaking is normal as the nervous system gets familiar with this exercise. It will stop as you get stronger.

  • The exercise will feel more pleasant and less gruelling as you do it more and more.

  • Arching with the glutes instead of lower back may decrease your ROM. This is because you are using the correct, less-developed muscles. Give it time, and the ROM will return again.

  • If you are arching from the lumbar area, your thoracic mobility is lacking.

 

Other Tips

  • To instantly know if your arch is dropping, place something block-shaped under your hands

  • If you struggle to breathe, breathe shallow breaths with your diaphragm

  • Finding a distraction for your mind can help

  • Males: wearing tight underwear can minimize pressure discomfort on the front-pelvic area

  • Having your feet just above your head is a good guide for achieving good ROM

 

Pre-ABH Strength Progressions

There are easier alternatives you can use to “work up†to the ABH:

  • isolate the lifting: lift just your torso, or just your legs, at a time

  • you can straddle your legs, bend your knees and/or reach arms behind you to decrease required leverage, therefore decrease required strength (this is a similar process to FL PE1-4)

 

-MR put together a program of variations to work up to ABH:

  • SL/PE0.1: Arms: stretched back towards feet. Legs: straddled and flexed at the knees.

  • SL/PE0.2: As above, but with a rocking motion.

  • SL/PE0.3: Arms: stretched out to sides (crucifix position). Legs: together and flexed at the knees.

  • SL/PE0.4: As above, but with a rocking motion.

  • SL/PE0.5: Arms: stretched out diagonally forward (between PE0.3 and PE1). Legs: straddled and straight.

  • SL/PE0.6: As above, but with a rocking motion.

Coach jokingly called this program Zombie Back Attack.

 

 

 

 

 

You can also use remedial times in between weeks to make progress more gradual. In other words, increase 6s at a time instead of 12s at a time. (eg. Week 2 5x12s, Week 2.5 3-5x18s, then go on to Week 3 3x24s)

 

 

Supplement Exercises

As well as strength, the ABH requires considerable mobility in the shoulder girdle and lumbar/legs. This mobility is known as extension, and the ABH uses thoracic extension (shoulder girdle) and leg extension (glues and hamstrings).

 

This mobility can be further developed:

  • stretching the hip flexors and quads will assist leg extension

  • stretching the chest and anterior shoulders will assist thoracic extension

  • foam rolling the quads, hip flexors, glutes and psoas in 3-5 inch areas at a time will assist leg extension

  • foam rolling around the scapular will assist thoracic extension

  • throughout the day, flex your glutes using Active Isolated Stretching to encourage relaxation of the psoas/quads

  • if you spend a lot of time sitting at a desk, use a stand-up desk

-MR

Great summary Wheezer! The only comment I have has to do with the last line in "other tips" where you say: 

  • Having your feet just above your head is a good guide for achieving good ROM

Although I know what you mean, it might not be clear to someone that hasn't read the whole thread that what you're referring to is being able to see your feet "peeking just above your head" when facing a mirror. 

 

Also, if anyone is interested, page 4 of this excellent document written by Kit Laughlin (and inspired by Coach Sommer) has a great summary of the cues for the ABH, as well as easier variations one may want to work on if the full ABH is too difficult for them. http://www.kitlaughlin.com/docs/wrist-mobility_bodyline-exercises_handstands.pdf

Joakim Anderson

And a summary of this can be found on the course website. :D

jaz

Great wheezer! Thank's for your work!

mlaen

This is the kind of the cues I would expect in course materials!

Ondra

This topic should be made STICKY! Thank you, wheezer!

Nash

Nice! Great work.

mlaen

Wheezer, you do realize that we expect you to do this for all PEs now, right? :D

The Hansenator

This really helps, thanks!

 

I'll put in a vote for making this a sticky.

kimura

Great thread, thanks for doing this!

Coach Sommer
mlaen said:

This is the kind of the cues I would expect in course materials!

Not at all.

The proper place for a discussion of this detail is right here in the F1 forum. Remember that the courses and the relevant private forums work together in concert.

Yours in Fitness,

Coach Sommer

Boris Mikael Taube

Alot of information, thanks:)

im doing 4*45 arch body hold. but my ROM is very poor.

I will try the versions of the zombie program, think this will help me to engage the right muscles.

 if i build 5*60 s/r with the variation mastery will be easy after that. 

wheezer
mlaen said:

This is the kind of the cues I would expect in course materials!

 

This is the course materials. :) The cues in your course interface are just the minimum to get started. From there, the forum is fundamental for fine-tuning the element, progressing with it and mastering it.

 

 

mlaen said:

Wheezer, you do realize that we expect you to do this for all PEs now, right? :D

 

At least the most epic one is out the way. ;)

 

 

Boris Mikael Taube said:

Alot of information, thanks:)

im doing 4*45 arch body hold. but my ROM is very poor.

I will try the versions of the zombie program, think this will help me to engage the right muscles.

 if i build 5*60 s/r with the variation mastery will be easy after that. 

 

How is your ROM holding the full ABH for 12s? If your form is good, it might just be a matter of endurance, and the zombie program would be unnecessary.

 

I just went from 5x48s with poor ROM back down to 3x12s with excellent ROM. At the moment, the 3x12s is just enough, not grueling, just pleasantly exhausting.

RF_Guy

As a F1 customer I must agree that I would expect these kind of invaluable instructions should come from GB stuff. If not for exceptional work wheezer has done we would never have that summary. Not too many people have time and patience to go through 22 pages of one thread and even just know which thread to look at for useful info in the first place. I think forum in general is not optimal place to keep detailed instructions. Of course it is up to GB to decide how they want to structure their courses. Maybe they just do not have enough resources to provide that kind of detailed information yet. I just hope to see similar summary for every exercise one day. Regardless, thank you very much wheezer!

thecolin

I was thinking, it seems to me that the "head to glutes" cue is at odds with "get as long as possible" cue.

 

In my experience, the cue of getting long creates the right muscle activation, whereas "head to glutes" cue, while creating a high arch, might cause most people to focus on curling their upper body and tensing the lower back, thoughts?

mikaits

Wheezer, you did a fantastic job! I recently read the entire original topic and it's very impressive how you put 22 pages in few lines so well!

In my opinion, the only thing that is missing is a categorization of the cues depending on who wrote them. There are cues from Coach Sommer and Kit Laughlin. There are cues from GB Athletes who have mastered the element. There are also many cues from simple members which are very valuable but it's not sure they are all correct.

I'm the opposite of expert but I have doubts about 3 of the cues that you mentioned.

1) push your stomach against the floor, and press with your abs (I don't think this strengthens posterior chain - one coach used to tell us: don't cheat by doing this)

2) externally rotate the hip slightly ( this doesn't help keep feet together - hip extension is the goal, not rotation)

3) focus on trying to touch your glutes to the back of your head (I totally agree with thecolin's above post)

I repeat that I'm not expert and these are only my thoughts. This element was very hard for me, I still have it in my warmup routine and I never forget that, in the end, practice is what makes you master it.

wheezer
-MR said:

Also, if anyone is interested, page 4 of this excellent document written by Kit Laughlin (and inspired by Coach Sommer) has a great summary of the cues for the ABH, as well as easier variations one may want to work on if the full ABH is too difficult for them. http://www.kitlaughlin.com/docs/wrist-mobility_bodyline-exercises_handstands.pdf

 

Absolutely, that PDF summary is fantastic. Olivia (Kit's partner - and the woman in the pictures) has some great progressions up to the full ABH. I think I might include these in the summary when I get home. Coincidentally, I'm currently away at a Kit workshop.

 

RF_Guy said:

Not too many people have time and patience to go through 22 pages of one thread and even just know which thread to look at for useful info in the first place. I think forum in general is not optimal place to keep detailed instructions.

 

I agree that a forum is not optimal (I find it pretty discombobulated when looking for specific tips). But I do like how organic it is, how it attracts discussion from a range of people rather than hearing only one person's perspective of it. But again it's a balancing act. Sometimes it's good to talk about it, other times it's better to just do it and let the body work out how.

 

 

thecolin said:

I was thinking, it seems to me that the "head to glutes" cue is at odds with "get as long as possible" cue. In my experience, the cue of getting long creates the right muscle activation, whereas "head to glutes" cue, while creating a high arch, might cause most people to focus on curling their upper body and tensing the lower back, thoughts?

 

To my thinking they are both correct. "Getting as long as possible" addresses the limbs: encouraging the legs to pull away from the body (to activate glutes), and encouraging the shoulders to properly elevate as well as retract. "Head to glutes" encourages beginning the thoracic extension from the middle outwards (curl the head back, then curl the shoulders back, then focus on getting the arms up).

 

 

mikaits said:

Wheezer, you did a fantastic job! ...There are also many cues from simple members which are very valuable but it's not sure they are all correct. ... I'm the opposite of expert but I have doubts about 3 of the cues that you mentioned.

1) push your stomach against the floor, and press with your abs (I don't think this strengthens posterior chain - one coach used to tell us: don't cheat by doing this)

2) externally rotate the hip slightly ( this doesn't help keep feet together - hip extension is the goal, not rotation)

3) focus on trying to touch your glutes to the back of your head (I totally agree with thecolin's above post)

I repeat that I'm not expert and these are only my thoughts. This element was very hard for me, I still have it in my warmup routine and I never forget that, in the end, practice is what makes you master it.

 

That's a really good point mikaits. Everyone please take each cue with a grain of salt and think critically about whether it helps you. I am not an 'expert' either; I have just paraphrased cues that help me, and/or cues that have helped others on these forums. As far as I know, Coach is the only person who has coached many people on this topic (I don't think Kit covers it very often, either) so there's an element of personal discovery.

 

To give my personal opinion to your first 2 points (anyone please correct me if appropriate):

1) Pushing the stomach through the floor seems to be helping many with their posterior chain because it is making the arch accessible. It makes glute activation and decent thoracic extension possible for most.

2) Externally rotating the hip isn't a good cue for everyone. It's only for those who internally rotate a bit to force the glutes together in lieu of properly activating them. Many people have mentioned the balls of their feet are together, but the heels are apart; which suggests their hips are internally rotated instead of neutral, which only adds more resistance to the hip extension.

Murray Truelove

Nice to have it all in one place!

Oliver Harris

I've spent about 6 months on this in total after believing I had mastered it then returning and I've just completed 5x60 but my ROM does decrease as the sets progress, specifically: my arms drop as I find my shoulders are not strong enough to hold them up for the full 5 minutes of the hold, however I am able to maintain tension... that is to say I don't reach failure and have to stop. 

Should I work on maintaining full ROM for the full 5 sets before moving onto the rocks, and if so what's the best way to do this? By continuing at the 5x60 or repeating the last micro-cycle going back to 4X48? 

Thanks all

Joakim Anderson

You should definitely maintain your ROM throughout the set. I don't know the best way, but if my legs or arms start to drop I stop the set there.

wheezer

I've added a couple of tips to the main Summary:

  1. Kit's Bodyline Guide work ups to ABH (bottom of page 4 in attached). Some great preliminary exercises.
  2. Do in-between weeks, count up 6s instead of 12s. (For example, Week 1 3x12s, Week 2 5x12s, Week 2.5 3x18s, then Week 3 3x24s.)
thecolin
wheezer said:

 

I've added a couple of tips to the main Summary:

  1. Kit's Bodyline Guide work ups to ABH (bottom of page 4 in attached). Some great preliminary exercises.

 

I've found the second variation, arms straight back, to be an excellent cue for thoracic extension. I've been starting my sets now in that position, finding the right tension in my upper back and then pointing them forwards as per the foundation video while maintaining the right muscle activation.

Norbert Marko
thecolin said:

I've found the second variation, arms straight back, to be an excellent cue for thoracic extension. I've been starting my sets now in that position, finding the right tension in my upper back and then pointing them forwards as per the foundation video while maintaining the right muscle activation.

the thoracic extension is my weak point too, seriously, sometimes i feel like the hunchback of notre dame seasoned with some zombie hip mobility but this exercise variation is just works wonders

Keilani Gutierrez

got my first 40sec hold on ABH. lol.