Muscle Gain with F1?

Hello everyone! 

Well the question is simple, I love GST, but does f1 build muscle or burn fat? It's not a priority but it's always nice to have some gains right? hahaah

It does neither. F1 is designed for toning.

Nonsense.

F1 is most certainly not designed for toning. It is however designed to start GST beginners (in terms of both strength and mobility) exactly where they should be; at the beginning.

Yours in Fitness,

Coach Sommer

mr jones said:

It does neither. F1 is designed for toning.

Paaaaul said:

Hello everyone! 

Well the question is simple, I love GST, but does f1 build muscle or burn fat? It's not a priority but it's always nice to have some gains right? hahaah

F1 doesn't do anything. F1 is a fantastic tool, but ultimately the results you see are dependent on how you use it. 

Following F1 will make you stronger.

Following F1 with good nutrition  and some supplemental cardio exercise will make you significantly stronger, more muscular and less fat. 

I know that everyone has different priorities. With the purchase of the Foundation series i completely changed my point of view on the body and its development. I asked myself: What does it help if i am able to do let`s say 20 pull ups or to be more muscular and lean right now ? For whom am i doing that ? What are the reasons behind that ? I actually didn`t know the answer. But after having looked at the unbelievable well developed Foundation series it taught me something really important. With a lot of persistence and dedication i can move myself towards a goal which isn`t meant to be reached as fast as possible in the presence. The goal is not to be more muscular or lean or beeing able to do 15 strict muscle ups on rings, no, it`s getting the most out of your body, developing an awareness for moving your body in space and preparing it to stay physically healthy in the long run. That beeing said, when i was younger i thought in the same categories you are talking about but try not to focus on them. They will be just a small side benefit of the hard work you,Paul, are investing in the foundation series

The foundation series in general was not designed to build muscle or burn fat, it was in fact designed to teach a complete beginner how to achieve the 7 fundamental gymnastic exercises. If you want to build muscle or burn fat this course isn't for you, that is what bodybuilding was designed for.  

I believe if you want to train gymnastics then you must earn your physique.

Once You start to master more complex exercises that put a bigger pressure on your body then your body will start to adapt and you will see visual results aswell.

And I believe that is how our bodies are built - through adaption, so focus on the skills and exercises and your physique will come as a byproduct.

Also remember if You want to build muscle and lose fat there are 2 major things needed - proper muscle stimulus and nutrition.

Just some personal results I've noticed from doing the first progressios In f1.

1. Feel better and seem to have a general greater range of motion and control over my body, feel lighter as well.

2. Thanks to the f1 training and decent nutrition courtesy of coach and josh natter man (as well as many others in the nutrition thread) my body fat was melting away like butter in a frying pan.

3. I gain muscle pretty easily everywhere except my bum shoulders and arms but after a couple months on first progressions of f1 I got very noticeably bigger in my shoulders and arms. I mean really noticeable, everyone of my friends were either asking how the hell my arms and shoulders grew so fast or were commenting on how different I looked.

4. I hadn't been for a run in about 1.5 years thanks to difficulties in life and an accidental injury but the first run I went for I had to stop because of the lack of endurance in my legs after 6 km but I could easily have a conversation and was not even a little bit out of breath.

5. I'm not sure if this is related but my reflexes have started to come back. I had great reflexes but noticed them slipping away until after I started this training now I'm more in tune with my body and seem to have sharper reflexes.

Sme of those things may not be directly related to the foundation training but I can tell you that my arms getting bigger and my fat shrinking definitely is.

I've spent 3 months at HBP/PE2, push ups, and my pecs are growth a lot, till the point that my girlfriend said to me: "If you keep that way, you're going to have more tits than me".

Now with HBP/PE3 I'm afraid to my triceps growth more. 

So, if you mantain your food, your rest and your life under control and sastisfied, you'll put on mass for sure. 

F1 it's not designed to put muscle mas but it doesn't matter, if you do the right things, you'll do.

Exactly. As long as you keep getting stronger you're bound to gain muscle mass sooner or later.

I have gone from 91kg to 95kg since starting F1. I wanted to be lighter so I would have less weight to lift. I also started Josh's recommendations for nutrition, which would have helped.

I would not have believed it, but it has happened to me and seemingly many others here.

I have lost 20lbs in the past 3 months on F1 and the Primal Blueprint/Paleo Diet.  While losing the weight has certainly helped on some exercises, I have gained significant strength in every movement, finished between 1 and 3 PE's for each F1/H1 element, and I make progress each week.  It has been incredible enjoyable and motivating.  While I work out at the gym I actually feel really bad for everyone else pushin weights around...

correction, past ~6 months with F1 and 3 months on pale/primal.

F1 build musces or not?! mmm good question, how do you eat, how much are you sleeping, what are you eating, how is you genetic (your fibers, your insertions, your muscles potential)?

now when you can have the control on the first 3 steps you can start to do some assumptions on your genetic.

I think i did until now at least 2 hundreds of different programs in my weightlifting activity, every programs is different for all the clients.

the fact that people are different is a law. i Can gain mass with strength training, also my brother..but i've experimented it in 2-3 years not in a couple of months, this works for me..but for you?

For sure you build up your body first of all on your table when you are eating.

I am also SUPER toned...  

xray said:

I am also SUPER toned...  

Well I'm glad someone realised my comment was sarcastic.

mr jones said:

Well I'm glad someone realised my comment was sarcastic.

I thought so, Mr. Jones. Hilarious! 

I can't imagine Coach Sommer ever producing something designed to do something as weak as "toning".  If you stick with F1 and follow Joshua Naterman's Perfect Periworkout Nutrition advice from the Nutrition Forum, you will gain muscle (I have, anyway).

Joshua Slocum said:

F1 doesn't do anything. F1 is a fantastic tool, but ultimately the results you see are dependent on how you use it. 

Following F1 will make you stronger.

Following F1 with good nutrition  and some supplemental cardio exercise will make you significantly stronger, more muscular and less fat. 

Another word is recompositioning.

This is a strength and conditioning course specifically for gymnastics training.

strongyetagile said:

Another word is recompositioning. (...)

Er... nope, that's not a known word...   

Try maybe recomposing...

I'm nearing the end of my Pseudo Planche Pushups run. The other day I finished my set and went to the restroom to change. My shoulders and chest had swelled up so much that I could barely even take my shirt off. When I did I looked totally jacked, almost as ripped as I did back in my college weightlifting days. Hypertrophy is not my goal, but it's always a welcome side effect

I had something like that after week 9 of rows. I felt like had tumours at my biceps.   

If you start at the bottom and work up you will gain a lot more than you had before, that's a guarantee. Personally I feel I have lost muscle in some places doing this program(chest, biceps, quads) but I have gained bigger shoulders, stronger back, much stronger core, I was weight lifting before this program and have completely stopped doing aggressive things I used to do, and decided I had to start from the beginning because I had no real flexibility or ROM, I no longer worry about muscle gains, my biggest worries now are scapular strength and hamstring flexibility, (and ABR  ). There's a few guys on here I've noticed that are really fit and are still doing F1, If that says anything. 

MattProulx said:

If you start at the bottom and work up you will gain a lot more than you had before, that's a guarantee. Personally I feel I have lost muscle in some places doing this program(chest, biceps, quads) 

 

Don't worry, it'll come back eventually.