Started by homegymnast, May 5, 2013 · 18 Replies · 5,883 Views
Hey guys I have been training for the planche and front lever for a while now and I have seen improvement but am really anxious to get started training for my iron cross would it be bad for me to begin iron cross training without mastering the planche and front lever
Also could you give me some training tips for the pl and fl
Thx for your feedback
Don't be so impatient. It will only lead to injury and poor results. The joy comes not from the goal, but from the journey my friend! As for tips to train the FL and PL: get the foundations series. I know it's "lame" but it's seriously the best tip I can give you.
Basics.....you will ALWAYS be learning them, refining them, chasing the perfect execution of them.
If you are serious about becoming good then change your mindset.
The better you get the harder the basics become....if you don't understand this then you are not ready.
If you Really want to learn something, it is worth taking the time to learn it correctly.
You have to understand that it takes years of dedicated practice to become proficient at anything
Nic Branson said:Basics.....you will ALWAYS be learning them, refining them, chasing the perfect execution of them. (...)
Agreed.
When everything goes to hell, this is the only safe place you can regroup and fix things. 
Maybe it is just semantics, but I very much prefer calling this place "fundamentals" than "basics"
The better you get the harder the basics become....
So true.
Well, the basics are paying off for me - the Foundation 1 focuses on the very foundation (what would be pre-FSP level stuff) and I've found everything has improved (straddle FL, BL, muscle up etc. all much more solid despite the fact I've hardly been working them).
If you're struggling to get FL and PL down, then it's probably because your foundation is lacking.
Don't rush, or you'll hurt yourself.
You need some patience and it's not like you're not making any progress. How long have you been training anyways?
Even without the Foundation Series, there's already tons of info here and elsewhere about how to train FL and PL. All you need to do is search.
I have bee training since January of 2012 and I've been stuck on adv tuck lever and flat tuck pl for a while but I've seen amazing progress in my muscle ups/one arm chins and hspu's
homegymnast said:Hey guys I have been training for the planche and front lever for a while now and I have seen improvement but am really anxious to get started training for my iron cross would it be bad for me to begin iron cross training without mastering the planche and front lever
Yes. Not only is it dangerous, but it's less efficient. If you're struggling with the beginner progressions for FL and PL, there's no way you have the strength to get a reasonable workout from iron cross training. Also you should work your BL as well; it's good conditioning for the arms.
Hari_Seldon said:...you should work your BL as well; it's good conditioning for the arms.
Agreed. When I first tried planche training, I couldn't make ANY progress. So I've regressed to back lever training, and I'm not going to start planche training again until I have a perfect back lever.
Bipocni said:Agreed. When I first tried planche training, I couldn't make ANY progress. So I've regressed to back lever training, and I'm not going to start planche training again until I have a perfect back lever.
That isn't really the best approach. No one needs a BL before training planche. They just need to build up the planche properly with the right progressions.
Daniel Burnham said:That isn't really the best approach. No one needs a BL before training planche. They just need to build up the planche properly with the right progressions.
I know, it's hardly optimal. At the time I tried planche, the only progressions I knew were frogstand -> straight arm frogstand. My elbows and shoulders were in no way capable of handling it, and I had no other ideas.
Bipocni said:I know, it's hardly optimal. At the time I tried planche, the only progressions I knew were frogstand -> straight arm frogstand. My elbows and shoulders were in no way capable of handling it, and I had no other ideas.
Are you not on the foundation program yet?
Isn't it like saying:
"Screw high school - I'm going straight to college! Maths? Whatever - I have calculators and TI-Interactive!
" ?
What can you expect to achieve if you haven't got the basics mastered? Although having said that, there's quite a popular guy on YouTube who can do an Iron Cross but can't even do a Front Lever. Do whatever you want at your own risk though.
Joshua Naterman said:Are you not on the foundation program yet?
My computer is over a decade old. I don't have sufficient cowbell to open the foundation ebook...
Zach Armijo said:If you can open the forums, you can open the web based format for all the new material.
Great! I'll be buying it sometime in the next few weeks then.
Bipocni said:My computer is over a decade old. I don't have sufficient cowbell to open the foundation ebook...
There's your problem, Cow Bells are obsolete, now computers do Barrel Rolls.
