Planche lean and PPP for critique please

well, i have been working a little with f1, and i'm in the stage in which i have to work both ppp and planche leans.

I hadn't work them very frecuently before, because i felt them very inconfortable in my wrists.

But i decided to give them a new chance.

Here they are. 

Please let me know what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Lxe6JjLUw

Am i leaning enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Ex-926NCQ

Thanks in advice, and greetings from Mexico

If you notice in your PL lean video, you lose protraction pretty quickly. You will want to correct this with less lean, and then start adding more lean.

The PPP are off to a pretty decent start. If you can add a slider under your feet, they will be a lot more fun

Joshua Naterman said:

If you notice in your PL lean video, you lose protraction pretty quickly. You will want to correct this with less lean, and then start adding more lean.

 

The PPP are off to a pretty decent start. If you can add a slider under your feet, they will be a lot more fun

excelent =)

So i'm going to focus a lot on full protaction in pl leans

i'll get a slider soon

one question Josh:

One of the reasons i hadn't been doing ppp and pl lean were my wrists. I have some disconfort when i lean too much. i've managed to  solve this but i think is not enough..

Any reccomendations for wrists rom?

thanks again Josh =)

Why not try pointing your fingers to the sides instead. I've been doing it this way and it doesn't hurt the wrists at all.

KingJR said:

Why not try pointing your fingers to the sides instead. I've been doing it this way and it doesn't hurt the wrists at all.

I second this.  I had the same problem until I realized the guy in the actual video has his hands pointed to the sides as well.  Much easier on the wrists.

Joshua Naterman said:

The PPP are off to a pretty decent start. If you can add a slider under your feet, they will be a lot more fun

Correct me if I'm wrong but I really thought PPP are supposed to be done with feet staying in a stationary position. You've gotta figure out how much you can lean while keeping the feet set while performing the push up. So, IMHO you're probably leaning too far for your current strength at the moment and would benefit from leaning a little less for now.

lnick1975 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I really thought PPP are supposed to be done with feet staying in a stationary position. You've gotta figure out how much you can lean while keeping the feet set while performing the push up. So, IMHO you're probably leaning too far for your current strength at the moment and would benefit from leaning a little less for now.

There are two things you can do, one of which is much more organic (easier to spontaneously implement) than the other.

1) put your heels against a wall, and don't let them leave the wall. EVER. This makes the bottom VERY hard.

2) use a slider. The slider removes your ability to effectively cheat with your feet, just like the wall does, but it allows you to remain in your natural strength curve and build up more incrementally with time. You learn to hold your shape while your body moves through space, which is 100% essential later on, but you also end up building your strength more evenly. This is because you will always be able to stay in JUUUUST the right spot throughout the range of motion. It won't be too easy at the top, or too hard at the bottom.

It's always up to each of us to decide what is best for us. I like the sliders, and have done both. Others may prefer the heel-to-wall method, and it doesn't really matter either way in the end.

What I have found is that for most people the feet do stay stationary more or less but once you key them in on proper protraction and a good lean they almost always slide forwards first as the body is pulled into alignment.

Zach Armijo said:

With the slider, you will feel when you are at the perfect lean because as you are pressing back up, it will feel in perfect balance, like the bottom position of a hbp *cough* *cough*.

AH-HA! moment.

And, sometimes, OMG OMG OMG I GOT THI...s... *faceplant* moment...

Could you guys please explain how PPPs with heels against the wall are harder than PPPs with slider? I only do PPPs for fun occasionally and have tried the heels against wall method and the ones without feet to the wall, but with pointed feet and no slider (can slide on the surface too sometimes).

If doing it with a slider, would your feet slide back or forward during the ascent or descent?