nbraun198 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Just out of curiosity, what are the progressions or method for training the victorian? What are the pre-requisites, etc.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Hahahahah. Yeah, there is maybe only a dozen people in the world who can say. beastly front lever, adequate manna and maltese. having these means you can just about do everything else. one arm chins like a monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Winkler Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Just out of curiosity, what are the progressions or method for training the victorian? What are the pre-requisites, etc.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbraun198 Posted December 25, 2010 Author Share Posted December 25, 2010 haha thanks for the replies guys! I was just wondering because I can see numerous ways to train the maltese, however, I just don't see any real 'good' ways of training the victorian. Also, just the idea of even trying to pull from a front lever to a victorian makes my head explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newguy Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Being Danny Rodriguez jk! Use the search function on the form, there are a couple other threads like this one! We even have Gregor on this forum. An INSANE Rings specialist who nearly has a victorian! And he posted some tips also on the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbraun198 Posted December 25, 2010 Author Share Posted December 25, 2010 Being Danny Rodriguez jk! Use the search function on the form, there are a couple other threads like this one! We even have Gregor on this forum. An INSANE Rings specialist who nearly has a victorian! And he posted some tips also on the other thread.Care to link it? I searched but couldn't find it.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Just as a word of caution, do not even think about trying to train for this move unless you are prepared to do a TON of shoulder balancing work on a regular basis. The internal rotation strength you need for victorian is simply off the charts, and you will have to balance the shoulders accordingly. Approach with caution and exceptionally healthy shoulders!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donar Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 You only need a true reverse planche Seriously though.. strength-wise, a strong manna, a really strong front lever, and an even stronger v sit is probably very helpful.In addition you need to balance your shoulder girdle with planche, backlever and maltese work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newguy Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Here is Gregors training log viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2456&start=390viewtopic.php?f=14&t=334&p=961&hilit=victorian#p961 And I think that is what I was talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Sapinoso Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 You only need a true reverse planche .shhh seiji might hear you!!for balancing issues, manna work (msh) will suffice for most levels, for very advanced levels, coach sommer has said he has had his students train the victorian; even if they will not achieve it, it is simply for structural balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newguy Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 shhh seiji might hear you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 As Slizzardman just said victorian is not really as shoulder balancing as people think. Coach told me this at the seminar and said it was because the victorian is also a hollow position like maltese. He also mentioned that he thinks the reason not many people achieve it is because not a lot of people train for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 True about the last sentence razz.I think shoulder balance should not be a problem, because almost all people who have inbalance have to strong front part of shoulders and not rear. Victorian should only help to prevent inbalance, because it's very hard for rear part (infraspinatus, teres minor and major and rear deltoid).But as slizz said you must be extremly prepaired to start doing it or even think about it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbraun198 Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Would it be possible to use a bar and just keep trying to hold a wider and wider gripped front lever until you are nearly at the same level as your hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 You can do this auxillary exercise: Hold the bar in a wide grip and press to 'victorian' so your stomach touches the bar. Unless you're God you'll need a spot Same can be done for maltese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seiji Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 shhh seiji might hear you!!I saw this thread and was waiting for someone to mention me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Mainente Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 i did this exercise like an alternative to the body lever but the muscles wich work are the same as victorian...put yourself lying on the floor, and lowers the rings more or less than 30 cm from the floor, the rings have to be at the height of your hips, exactly where they would have if you wanted to make a victorian. Now take the rings with a false grip while pushing down and keep your body tight and lift your body up to get in a position similar to inverted hang, exercise is very similar to the lever body, the only difference is that in body lever you hold your body with hands back / under your head, but here the hands are on the rings in the position of victorian, then the target position is an inverted hang whit the body diagonal and supported only with the head and rings...do you understand?the first is the ending position, the second the starting position, from the start pull down lifting up your body, DON'T MOVE THE RINGS BACKWARDyou discover that for the body lever is diffucult lift up the entire body starting in this position, imagine with the rings at these level...try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learningtofly Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Well, second post here for me, but in the same kind of idea : wouldn't the logic of the MSH, trying to push hips further and lean back further, finally tend toward a kind of a "straddled' victorian approach ? Even more specific (think about triceps) than the front lever ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Well, second post here for me, but in the same kind of idea : wouldn't the logic of the MSH, trying to push hips further and lean back further, finally tend toward a kind of a "straddled' victorian approach ? Even more specific (think about triceps) than the front lever ?It would be more like a reverse planche than a victorian due to hand width Alex: Yes, that is a very hard exercise. You can do it without rings too, but that is of course less specific for victorian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Mainente Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 now i'm doing the body lever on incline bench, so lift the body from incline position is terrible...i'm don't want to think do the exercise for the vistorian lifting the body from incline bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 do a leg lift to candlestick and lower down, alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Tricpes is not so big problem in victorian but it would be hell pain if you would rise above parallel to your body (more like inverted planche) in theory try doing with dumbells on bench, you would see there is not much triceps involved until you go further over victorian (you should try with minimum weights and you'll notice the diffrence).In victorian most work is done by back rotators, latisimus and romboids,.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learningtofly Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Well, maybe some kind of mutant with extra sized infraspinatus + teres minor not so minor and very (very very) tight triceps will hold a straddle inverted planche one day He'll just need to have the victorian early (around 18, for example), than do a little extra-work...Easy.Thanks for the precision Gregor, it obviously makes sens PS "saving the cuff" : MSH and cuban press for the win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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