Getinthecar Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Found this in youtubebhqdcUwTcH8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhqdcUwTcH8What do you guys think of his variations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 No doubt you can achieve it with diffrent variations of exercisess and training. If you are trying to achieve a planche you are not at the begining stage so this push ups are nonsense it's better to achieve MU on rings and russian dips and other sorts of dips on p.bars to prepair your shoulders, because a triceps is not so important in planche (I doubt anyone who is trying to achive a plnache has to weak triceps if anyone).7First "planche" shown in a video isn't realy straight arm planche, elastic band is for pre-hab/warming up and not for strength training, I dont belive he is doing legs together planche himself but someone else, steping on paraletts is realy not for planchees but for press to HS.And he is also doing a 1000 times recomended in a GB forum a frog stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seiji Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I think those were psuedo planche push ups gregor. They always get my chest most I had another idea to add to his repertoire of methods.At a bench press station, you can get a small amount of weight (usually just the bar at the start, since it weighs 45lbs) and hold the bar shoulder width apart. At lowering, lower it towards your hips instead of chest, and lift it back up along the same line. Its sort of a cross between a front raise and a close grip bench press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Malta Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I think those were psuedo planche push ups gregor. They always get my chest most I had another idea to add to his repertoire of methods.At a bench press station, you can get a small amount of weight (usually just the bar at the start, since it weighs 45lbs) and hold the bar shoulder width apart. At lowering, lower it towards your hips instead of chest, and lift it back up along the same line. Its sort of a cross between a front raise and a close grip bench press.I think it's useless if you are using little weight, since when you are doing an actual planche you are lifting your whole bodyweight. I do the exercise you're recommending, also trying to simulate a planche angle and with an undergrip. That way you are working more the triceps than chest.Are you sure the bar weighs 45lbs? :shock: It should be a heck of a bar, since usually they don't go over 2kg (around 4 pounds and half. Unless you mistyped and forgot to type the dot for 4.5 lbs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffdrc Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 2kg bars? maybe in japan... in the us most gyms are 45lb (~20kg) barsand you can do the same thing with dumb bells... i think its really more of a pre hab tool... the best way to develop a planche is to planche (and the progressions leading up to it...) and if pseudo planche pushups are tough, you are a long way from a planche... best of luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Malta Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 2kg bars? maybe in japan... in the us most gyms are 45lb (~20kg) barsand you can do the same thing with dumb bells... i think its really more of a pre hab tool... the best way to develop a planche is to planche (and the progressions leading up to it...) and if pseudo planche pushups are tough, you are a long way from a planche... best of luckReally? Cool! I stand corrected then. Everything here is usually small sized, with the rare exception of some bodybuilding gyms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Every olympic barbell is 45 lbs or 20kgs. Other 'cheap' barbells go as low as 8-12kg but no way ever that a barbell for brench press and the like weighs less than that unless it's made of plastic. Even the small dumbell bars that are 30cm long weigh about 2kg before you put any plates on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seiji Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 By the exercise I was explaining, it's the exact same thing as doing bowers with less weight. Plus, you can adjust the angle and weight of the bar to make it harder. I said to use the bar for people just starting out, it seems worthless if you can already do them body weight wise.And about PP push ups... The same thing applies. Although you can't change the weight, changing the angle could seriously make a difference. Theoretically, all you need to practice for a planche are the PP push ups. You could just keep changing the angle until you really do lift yourself off the ground. Then you aren't doing them anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Malta Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Every olympic barbell is 45 lbs or 20kgs. Other 'cheap' barbells go as low as 8-12kg but no way ever that a barbell for brench press and the like weighs less than that unless it's made of plastic. Even the small dumbell bars that are 30cm long weigh about 2kg before you put any plates on them Then it's one more of the weird exceptions you can find here. The usual barbells do weigh 2kg and the heaviest one it's in the smith machine, weighing 7kg; at least in the gym I'm going. They are finally going to get a bench press station and a squat rack next year, so maybe those should be closer to "normal". :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 2 kg sounds unreal for a barbell or even a dumbell.. how big are those barbells and how many kgs do you put on before they break???http://www.bayoufitness.com/c/BSTVD_350.jpgtop right dumbells are 4lbs each so i can't imagine a barbell weighing the same??? Ive seen a smith bar at 7kg before that was counterweighted or empty 'inside' but still can't imagine the 2kg barbell PS i'm not trying to attack you I'm just trying to reason things out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Malta Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I got surprised as well...Well, it's obviously not an olympic barbell and I suppose it should be empty inside like you said, since they are metallic and not plastic. As far as I remember back in Brazil it was the same thing, because no way the usual gym had barbells weighing 20 kg and I remember weak small women working only with the bar (they couldn't even lift 10kg, let alone a 20kg bar).It is probably adapted to the needs of the market and since usually you don't see many guys here working out hard (so you can have an idea of how poor is my gym let me tell you that the heaviest dumbbell has only 20kg) they can save money to buy the several ellyptical machines and other irrelevant items that fill the place and leave no space for the weight area.There is one Gold's Gym in the next city and I was told they are better equipped there, but I've never been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Van Bockxmeer Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I don't doubt dominic's strength, but I agree that some of these exercises won't neccessarily help planche development specificly, and are more just strength work.I dont belive he is doing legs together planche himself but someone elseI think it is him, although he looks completely different with and without hair.If you check out this video he does a maltese and cross, and one arm back planche/lever, so i think he is capable of full planche on floor. He is 5 ' 7 according to his website (a few inches taller than most ring specialists) but he is still very compact and powerfully built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 By the exercise I was explaining, it's the exact same thing as doing bowers with less weight. Plus, you can adjust the angle and weight of the bar to make it harder. I said to use the bar for people just starting out, it seems worthless if you can already do them body weight wise.And about PP push ups... The same thing applies. Although you can't change the weight, changing the angle could seriously make a difference. Theoretically, all you need to practice for a planche are the PP push ups. You could just keep changing the angle until you really do lift yourself off the ground. Then you aren't doing them anymore For one thing, strait arm bar lifts are not even close to Bowers, because bowers involve moving from a handstand down to a planche, which is something like a 150 degree range of motion. due to the changes in angle you can't get useful joint stress( from a planche training perspective) with the straight bar lift you described. You COULD use an angled bench to work through the various ROMS, though that would take a lot of time and energy. The straight bar lift flat on the back from horizontal to 45 degrees above horizontal is useful for developing maltese to planche press as well as elbow strength for full planche.As far as PPP goes, they really are a great tool, but they will do nothing for your straight arm strength. Throw in some planche leans and then spotted planche work with bands and sure, it'll work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Malta Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I dont belive he is doing legs together planche himself but someone elseI wouldn't doubt his strength...The man is in the Guiness Book for the longest human flag.JmHtLycyIvQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seiji Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 olol I must have been using the wrong term. I thought planche push ups were called bowers :? Silly me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Hahaha, it happens! You absolutely CAN train the same range for bowers, it's just going to take 3 or 4 different positions on the bench incline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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