Tyler Goulden Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I bought the foundation series not only for my own benefit but hoping I could use the same progressions for my team kids I coach. Are these the same major progressions you use during your conditioning sessions coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 It would depend entirely upon how conditioned your own athletes are. Obviously my athletes can perform all of the elements and mobility; they were the demonstrators in the courses. For younger competitive athletes I use a different protocol; both stripped down and much higher in intensity. However that is with me being there personally supervising. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Goulden Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 So with preteam JO kids ages 5-6 the earliest progressions aren't a program outline you'd use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 - Those first progressions are designed for adults who are suffering from long term exposure to desk patrol and who must be rebuilt and rehabilitated before we can begin any serious work.- Young athletes are under no such restrictions in terms of mobility, joint preparation or strength. For JO athletes in that age range, I will take them immediately to pullups (with a spot if necessary), dips, HLL, Lsit/Str L/MSH/tuck PL/HS, SLS and pHS (with a spot).Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farid Mirkhani Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Also, I assume that they never go through a 5x60s hollow body hold, arch body hold, etc, they just do some sets of them, even if it's not close to 60 seconds or reps, as a warm up and then proceed to Body levers/ other levers? And with time, they will get stronger in these basic positions (HBH, ABH, etc) as they warm up with them more and more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farid Mirkhani Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Another question would be if you also avoid hands backward for youngsters as you do for adult beginners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Also, I assume that they never go through a 5x60s hollow body hold, arch body hold, etc, they just do some sets of them, even if it's not close to 60 seconds or reps, as a warm up and then proceed to Body levers/ other levers? And with time, they will get stronger in these basic positions (HBH, ABH, etc) as they warm up with them more and more? You are both right and wrong. They start off with sets of 60sec; with all of the exercises following one after the other with no rest. And yes, they perform all of the sets correctly. Or I give them the opportunity to immediately correct their error - as a group. Sometimes many opportunities in a row. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Another question would be if you also avoid hands backward for youngsters as you do for adult beginners? At that age and developmental level, why would I focus on ring strength specific preparation? First things first. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farid Mirkhani Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 You are both right and wrong. They start off with sets of 60sec; with all of the exercises following one after the other with no rest. And yes, they perform all of the sets correctly. Or I give them the opportunity to immediately correct their error - as a group. Sometimes many opportunities in a row. Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerI'm a bit skeptic...Of course I have no experience with kids and their ability to perform Hollows and Arch holds/rock, So I'll have to accept your answer. It's amazing though how kids can do these exercises right off the bat! At that age and developmental level, why would I focus on ring strength specific preparation? First things first. Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerOf course, of course.. My bad.. I was at first reffering only to a hands backward placement, like in a regular plank, or even a tuck planche.Not rings work. But I'm guessing now that hands backwards is ring specific prep and is not used even amongst the common plank/planche/reverse plank or perhaps even the crease of the elbows isn't allowed to look forward during exercises desite forward/sideward hands position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Douglas Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm a bit skeptic...Of course I have no experience with kids and their ability to perform Hollows and Arch holds/rock, So I'll have to accept your answer. It's amazing though how kids can do these exercises right off the bat!It's more amazing how many adults can't IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm a bit skeptic...Of course I have no experience with kids and their ability to perform Hollows and Arch holds/rock, So I'll have to accept your answer. It's amazing though how kids can do these exercises right off the bat! Be as skeptical as you want. While you are being skeptical, you might want to consider that it was my athletes who demonstrated all of the exercises and mobility in the courses. And that they didn't get that good by accident. And if you really want to drive yourself crazy, consider that they usually filmed an entire course in a single day. Meaning that they did all of those elements back to back to back all day long and didn't really notice them. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keilani Gutierrez Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 whoa. respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Egebak Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Why didn't I start as a child, in Arizona... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Trane Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Be as skeptical as you want. While you are being skeptical, you might want to consider that it was my athletes who demonstrated all of the exercises and mobility in the courses. And that they didn't get that good by accident. And if you really want to drive yourself crazy, consider that they usually filmed an entire course in a single day. Meaning that they did all of those elements back to back to back all day long and didn't really notice them. Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerI happened to in the gym on a day when this filming was taken place and I must add that the filming started after their normal 4 hour morning session!!! (They did have a short lunch break) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Rojas Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Every new comment about those athletes is more amazing than the last one LOL ! They are really amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keilani Gutierrez Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Every new comment about those athletes is more amazing than the last one LOL ! They are really amazing.search for Coaches comments on Gregory. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Rojas Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 search for Coaches comments on Gregory. xDIf you're talking about JJ Gregory, I've read plenty of them . For example his 30s full planche, 18 straddle L presses, his reverse planche, 400lbs deadlift, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahul Kher Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Be as skeptical as you want. While you are being skeptical, you might want to consider that it was my athletes who demonstrated all of the exercises and mobility in the courses. And that they didn't get that good by accident. And if you really want to drive yourself crazy, consider that they usually filmed an entire course in a single day. Meaning that they did all of those elements back to back to back all day long and didn't really notice them. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommerwooooow.... makes me feel I don't even exist ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farid Mirkhani Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Be as skeptical as you want. While you are being skeptical, you might want to consider that it was my athletes who demonstrated all of the exercises and mobility in the courses. And that they didn't get that good by accident. And if you really want to drive yourself crazy, consider that they usually filmed an entire course in a single day. Meaning that they did all of those elements back to back to back all day long and didn't really notice them. Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerDid they perform mastery sets? I only see couple reps and a couple seconds. I only saw 1 set of L-sit that lasted 26 sec and at that point his legs dropped. (Please note, I'm not against foundation or this community. I have bought all the Foundation, Handstand and rings courses while I, like anyone else, could easily get them in other ways. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Douglas Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 It's hard to express how easy these guys make it look until you see them in person. I was absolutely blown away at the seminar I attended; they are seriously machines. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Goulden Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 So after they can hold one static position for a minute as a group without breaks in form you move them on to the next static position? I always do hollow and arch rocks in warmup but as most coaches do that is more for shaping purposes than the actual strengthening process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 So after they can hold one static position for a minute as a group without breaks in form you move them on to the next static position? I always do hollow and arch rocks in warmup but as most coaches do that is more for shaping purposes than the actual strengthening process Whether it is for strengthening or shaping will depend entirely upon the level of athetes you are working with. Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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