Rajesh Bhat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1581774025385471&set=t.1429512401&type=2&theaterOh god. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Robertson Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 That looks very similiar to a Victorian to me, anyone care to explain the difference, if there is any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 no difference, same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Laukkavaara Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 bent arms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Douglas Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Looks a touch bent to me.... still very strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Wonder how he developed it ?!?! He speaks anotehr language so hard to talk with him on internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 I agree with you guys saying it's bent. plus hold time is short. not competition ready, but then again, it's a skill very few achieve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Pavlovic Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Victorian is impossible with compleatly straight arms (locked elbows) so saying it is bent dont count as error. Italians are getting seriously strong, i have seen few of them doing victorian recently which is hard to get even for elite gymnasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 who else?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Pavlovic Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I cant remember his name right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 aww man tell me if you find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Pavlovic Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Li Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Victorian is impossible with compleatly straight arms (locked elbows) so saying it is bent dont count as error. Italians are getting seriously strong, i have seen few of them doing victorian recently which is hard to get even for elite gymnasts.Daniel Burnham told me that he heard from someone that one or two gymnasts in Brazil can hold a victorian with straight arms and good body line for 2 seconds before losing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Mainente Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Victorian is impossible with compleatly straight arms (locked elbows) so saying it is bent dont count as error. Italians are getting seriously strong, i have seen few of them doing victorian recently which is hard to get even for elite gymnasts.i do not agree completely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkr1erjcez8 if you stop at 25 sec you can easily see how his arms are locked. he spent years and years to improve ONLY the elbows extension.he has the strength for victorian since 2007 and 7-8 years only to reduce the elbows flexion a bit seems to be an eternity.Italians should focus more on mobility and less on strength. things are changing, but not for all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 True. Though back when he first competed it, it was bent. Now it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Pavlovic Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkr1erjcez8Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Li Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 i do not agree completely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkr1erjcez8 if you stop at 25 sec you can easily see how his arms are locked. he spent years and years to improve ONLY the elbows extension.he has the strength for victorian since 2007 and 7-8 years only to reduce the elbows flexion a bit seems to be an eternity.Italians should focus more on mobility and less on strength. things are changing, but not for all.I don't think his elbows are locked there and the quality of the video and angle of the view there is not so easy to tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM3091 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Exactly. If you watch his maltese or as he moves through a cross, he clearly has hyperextension. And in the victorian, his elbows are straight (if not ever so slightly bent). So his elbows are definitely not locked out. Doesn't change the fact that he's monstrously strong though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Burnham Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Daniel Burnham told me that he heard from someone that one or two gymnasts in Brazil can hold a victorian with straight arms and good body line for 2 seconds before losing it.Yes. It was a guy on the Brazilian national team. Definitely possible with straight arms. Just hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajesh Bhat Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 curious. how do you think he trained for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Burnham Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 curious. how do you think he trained for it?same way people train maltese. just upside-down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurre Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 https://youtu.be/EqR6OZutHI8?t=189Good angle to see the straightness on the arms of Rodrigues. Looks pretty damn good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Léo Aïtoulha Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Mind-blowing ! Very good Victorian indeed. If we compare the main muscles involved in a Maltese and in a Victorian, would it be something like this ?Maltese : Anterior delts, biceps, upper and middle trapezius, serratus anterior, pecs, absVictorian : Posterior delts, triceps, lower and middle trapezius, rhomboids, lats, abs Front Lever is beginner level and ring Planche is advanced level by GST standards : why is Victorian more difficult than Maltese ? Is it really more difficult or is it the result of unbalanced training/huge lack of knowledge about how to train for Victorian in the artistic gymnastics world ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM3091 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Great victorian, but no his elbows are not locked. The are close to being straight, meaning the angle between the upper arm and forearm is near 180 degrees. Rodrigues has elbow hyperextension, so his lockout involves an angle greater than 180 degrees. The hyperextension is very clearly visible in his maltese or cross, and is not there in the picture/video above. One reason is in a planche or maltese, gravity pulls the elbow into a lockout, and the bicep contracts to prevent elbow damage. In a victorian, the tricep has to actively pull the entire body weight to peak contraction, which, based on evidence so far, seems impossible. Rodrigues' victorian is as close to a full lockout as I have seen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurre Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Agree with him having hyper extended elbows in Maltese etc. I think also part of that is due to the pressure on the arms which hyper extends it just a bit more. My arms are 'straighter' (or a bit more hyperextended) in a back lever than when I just lock them. That being said, I indeed don't think his arms are completely locked due to indeed your reason.Also does the FIG code of points say specifically locked arms or straight arms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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