Shoulder Pain

[Jeff Walker]

Im not sure when it started happening I think somewhere around the time I attempted Free Headstand HSPU but I have a pain weakness in my shoulder.  It seems to occur most when I reach to grab things to the side of me, its not a severe pain but feels more like a weakness = Like I have no strength in that position.  

 

It happens when I extend my arm to the side.  I also have a shoulder pop or click somewhere just below that click.  But I have had this pop/click for a long time.  Normally the pop/click doesn't bother me and it doesn't today I am just wondering if the pain/weakness is related to the pop/click or if the weakness/pain is completely separate issue.

 

Last time I did HSPUs I did the Wall version on Paralettes and i didnt really feel the weaknes.  I also dont really feel it on HS either.  I kind of notice when I do tuck planches but not much.   I really feel it when I attempt Headstand HSPU, something about that position of my hands and pressing from that position, I feel absolutely like I have no strength.  I also feel it with simply just small movements.  It seems to get better with rest.

 

Any ideas what it is and the best way to work around it?

 

I was thinking that it might be a good time to take a small break from my training and focus on the F1/H1 series.  Any help would be appreciated.

[Joshua Naterman]

Almost certainly impingement syndrome, likely secondary to scapular dyskinesia. Very likely that the dysfunctional scapular movement is directly due to insufficient upward rotation and/or excessive anterior tilt.

 

Done properly, over time the H1 iM movements will help with this, but if it doesn't go away after a few months of that you should see a professional therapist.

 

You do not work through dysfunctional movements, you fix them. If you do not, they will break you, at the time and place of their choosing.

[Joshua Slocum]

You do not work through dysfunctional movements, you fix them. If you do not, they will break you, at the time and place of their choosing.

 

[ZRX38]

Try doing this everyday 

go really easy if your flexibility sucks, it fixed my shoulder in less than a week

its not magic though

[Jeff Walker]

Thanks for the help. Thise dislocates are not possible for me in order for me to get behind my body one of my arms need to bend.

I did some googling and youtubing on impingement etc and i found several tests. One simple one was this - with if the affected arm i somply grab my orher shoulder that move i feel the pain weakness. Im not sure what that is indicating. Also tonight i cut a piece of bread and i felt it.

In that dislocate video, i felt when trying to get arms behind my body.

Attempting the transition from pullup to dip i kind of feel it a little in that deep dip position

Would a chieopractor diagnose this i dont even know what kind if DR to see?

Its not severe more annoyed i that its there abd might stop me from progressing

[Joseph Blazuk]

I would rule out a SLAP tear.  Clicking/popping... typically these are associated with a specific event... however with tuck planche you're essentially doing a Speed's test, loading your bicep, and if you think about it long enough HeSPU is almost a biceps load / Kim-2 test for SLAP tears and depending how in line with your head your hands are you are starting to do some labral shearing (look up Kibler labral shear and you can look up the other things I mentioned if you want).  If something is really bothering you, see a doctor, not a chiropractor or PT (no offense).  A good sports medicine or ortho can properly diagnose you.  If your weakness is progressing it's time to get it checked out.

[Joshua Naterman]

Thanks for the help. Thise dislocates are not possible for me in order for me to get behind my body one of my arms need to bend.

Well, we can safely say that your scapula are not moving properly.

 

I think Nail's advice is spot on. Only a doctor can diagnose medical conditions. Chiropractors can't offer a diagnosis if it is a problem that cannot be treated with joint manipulations, because that is what chiropractic medicine is.

 

Please do not try to self-diagnose! I know you're curious, but learn from your visit to the doctor! Google searches can help you understand what they tell you, so it's a good idea to bring a notepad with you and write down what they tell you they have done, and what they think is going on. That way you can learn more at home afterwards. A potential danger of this approach is the temptation to try and treat something yourself with the things you read about. I'm not trying to be insulting, but you do not know anywhere near enough about how your body works or how any of this has developed to be able to make good diagnostic or therapeutic decisions on your own! Heck, I know a whole ot and I still go to see a specialist, because they are really good at what they do. I don't like to roll the dice with my health.

 

We can definitely say that your shoulder and scapulae are limited in ROM, but we don't know what else is going on. Could be a very, very large number of things, as was mentioned, and you do need a well-trained orthopedic or sports medicine specialist to diagnose properly!

 

These specialists will both hold an MD degree, which just means they are medical doctors.

[Joseph Blazuk]

And let us know what happens!  I can readjust my thought processes 

[Joshua Naterman]

Me too I've already gotten several new things to read about

[Jeff Walker]

I am calling today to make an appt we have a dr in the family who specializes in sports rehab.  

 

Do you think I can get started beforehand?

[Joshua Slocum]

I am calling today to make an appt we have a dr in the family who specializes in sports rehab.  

 

Do you think I can get started beforehand?

 

Wall extensions are a fantastic movement for loosening up the shoulders: https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/topic/846-wall-extensions/#entry6146

 

Unless these give you sharp pains, you can start doing them immediately. Do a set of them every time you go to the bathroom, and you'll start to notice improvements within about a week. 

 

You can also begin working the iM movements in F1 and H1 immediately (with the same provision that you shouldn't work anything that causes sharp pains).

[Joshua Naterman]

Probably not. The only reason I was able to handle most of my own rehab was because I have a very detailed knowledge of shoulder function, and I understand what I am trying to feel, and I had people watch me while I gave them specific instructions for what to look for.

 

It was a team effort, and I still ended up seeing professionals for part of it.

 

You should stick to things that don't hurt, and let your doctors control your rehab. If you do these things wrong, you can cause more problems by trying to do the "right things."